Lord of the Rings Series -- Amazon

[Taurus]

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Only 1 episode left, and we got to see how Mordor was created. And I don't understand how mithril comes into play other than Frodo's chain mail.

Don't think about it. I have no Earthly idea why they even created the silly mithril plotline. There's a hundred better ways to have the Dwarves and Elves become close.

 

[Yatman]

took a dare and watched ep7, which made up for the first six

and as a lifelong fan, it's good to see joe walsh branching out

 

[sammymvpknight]

I’ve been really impressed with both the LOR and GOT spin-offs. I was hoping that at least one of them would be worth my time.

 

[Taurus]

took a dare and watched ep7, which made up for the first six

and as a lifelong fan, it's good to see joe walsh branching out

ep7 was better. Still fanfic, but at least they're making an effort to make Galadriel a sympathetic character. She actually had expressions other than anger, contempt or contemptuous anger.

 

[Crzycjunx76]

So, there was a lot in that episode.

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And ill comment on it after a rewatch.

This is speculation on the next part of the adaptation:

Next season we should get Ar-Pharazôn taking advantage of the weakened position of Míriel to force a marriage of convience.

Im not sure if they will go the direction of his military capture of and corruption by Sauron. If they do, itll probably be season 3 before we get the fall of Númenor.

As it is they could skip that since he already seems corrupted, and covetous of eternal life.

Either way itll enentually lead to his intense persecution of the faithful, his attempted assault on Valinor, and the fall of


I know they keep pointing us in the direction of the stranger being Gandalf

follow your nose

however I dont think so. I think Alatar.

This is one of the many conflicting notes I have seen.

At some point in the Second Age, around the forging of the Rings of Power, Alatar and Pallando were chosen to become the first of the Istari, and were sent to the east of Middle-earth to stir up rebellion against Sauron and assist the few tribes of Men who had refused to worship Morgoth in the First Age.

Of course ive also seen Alatar, Curumo, and Olórin listed as the first three with Aiwendil and Pallando being brought along after the fact... or Olórin being unseen or in the guise of an elf while only much later appearing as Gandalf, while Alatar, Curumo, and Pallando traveled east, with only Curumo returning.

 

[Consigliere]

Of course ive also seen Alatar, Curumo, and Olórin listed as the first three with Aiwendil and Pallando being brought along after the fact... or Olórin being unseen or in the guise of an elf while only much later appearing as Gandalf, while Alatar, Curumo, and Pallando traveled east, with only Curumo returning.
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I appreciate the analysis but think you are over-thinking it with regard to a show that is very much under-thinking it.

Face it - he's Gandalf. He should not be. But he is. Because Amazon does not give a crap.

 

[Taurus]

I appreciate the analysis but think you are over-thinking it with regard to a show that is very much under-thinking it.

Face it - he's Gandalf. He should not be. But he is. Because Amazon does not give a crap.

It's fanfiction. It's 50 Shades of Sauron. If you want to call the thing you're doing an 'adaptation', you can't directly contradict the established source. Something RoP did in the first episode and continues to do all over the place.
It's not Tolkien, it's barely related to Tolkien. It's a wholly independent work that really didn't even need to have bought the source rights. A few name changes and you'd have a derivative, but standalone story.

 

[VaeVictus]

I appreciate the analysis but think you are over-thinking it with regard to a show that is very much under-thinking it.

Face it - he's Gandalf. He should not be. But he is. Because Amazon does not give a crap.

I'm convinced the showrunners had a bingo hopper full of CW quality plotline ideas and just pulled the "storyline" elements from there; probably in the exact chronological order presented.

 

[DaveXA]

I'm convinced the showrunners had a bingo hopper full of CW quality plotline ideas and just pulled the "storyline" elements from there; probably in the exact chronological order presented.

CW quality...

 

[Taurus]

Ok, I've tried to hold it in, but it's just too much
This Halbrand/Sauron plotline is beyond stupid. It's sub-CW class. It's just...I mean...how in the name of Gollum's greasy gonads are we supposed to buy this bullsheet? Sauron, Lieutenant of Morgoth, is on a raft in the middle of the ocean?!? A couple day's swim from Valinor, mind you. You know Valinor? Home of the gods who punted his boss into the Outer Void? That Valinor. Did he board the raft on purpose? Did Galadriel's tenacious hunt leave him with no other options but to flee Middle-Earth? Has he been floating around out there since Beleriand sank? And instead of letting the most powerful elf in Middle-Earth simply die, he saves her? Is he that thirsty for some taut Noldor booty? Every writer in that room, along with the showrunners who approved such incoherent bilge, needs to be keelhauled.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

CW quality...

People will complain about anything. If the show was exactly as was what written then it would contradict itself and take way too long to tell the story. Tolkien kept changing things right up until he died. I've watched some videos on the history of various things. One thing I saw was about Sauron. The rings are supposed to corrupt the ones that wear it. Well it didn't work the way he wanted with the Dwarves so eventually he goes and gets the rings back from them for himself. He gets all but one. That final one takes him 4,000 years to find! Just this one little thing takes that long. The 2nd Age isn't even that long. How do you tell a story that lasts that long? You can't, it would suck. People need to get over it. Except for The Sandman no show or movie is going to be the same as the book version.

 

[DaveXA]

People will complain about anything. If the show was exactly as was what written then it would contradict itself and take way too long to tell the story. Tolkien kept changing things right up until he died. I've watched some videos on the history of various things. One thing I saw was about Sauron. The rings are supposed to corrupt the ones that wear it. Well it didn't work the way he wanted with the Dwarves so eventually he goes and gets the rings back from them for himself. He gets all but one. That final one takes him 4,000 years to find! Just this one little thing takes that long. The 2nd Age isn't even that long. How do you tell a story that lasts that long? You can't, it would suck. People need to get over it. Except for The Sandman no show or movie is going to be the same as the book version.

Yeah, I mean, I don't expect it to be exactly like the books, but I do think it should make some sense in terms of the bones of the story. But this isn't a LOTR show. It's a fantasy-adventure, which is fine. Call it something else, just not a LOTR series. I'm not complaining though. It's a good show. I just can't really connect it to LOTR. But that's me.

And CW is terrible. There's not much worth watching there anymore outside S&L, and maybe one other show. The rest is just unwatchable.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Yeah, I mean, I don't expect it to be exactly like the books, but I do think it should make some sense in terms of the bones of the story. But this isn't a LOTR show. It's a fantasy-adventure, which is fine. Call it something else, just not a LOTR series. I'm not complaining though. It's a good show. I just can't really connect it to LOTR. But that's me.

And CW is terrible. There's not much worth watching there anymore outside S&L, and maybe one other show. The rest is just unwatchable.

I have zero issues connecting this to LOTR. People forget that they can't change anything so if the story is different then the Tolkien Estate is fine with it. If they are fine with it then that should be that. Oh, and with the CW, S&L and Stargirl.

 

[DaveXA]

I have zero issues connecting this to LOTR. People forget that they can't change anything so if the story is different then the Tolkien Estate is fine with it. If they are fine with it then that should be that. Oh, and with the CW, S&L and Stargirl.

Yeah, Stargirl was the other show I had in mind.

And understood. Not everyone will see it that way. But it's all good.