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[Taurus]

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Why was Sauron near Valinor? Well having failed in his attemps at crafting power not of fles but over flesh, and being stabbed by one of his "subjects", perhaps he sought forgivness? From canon:
Eönwë kind of lived in Valinor, and Sauron would need a boat to get there... why they were attacked.. dunno, perhaps Ulmo was P'Oed.


As for saving Galadriel. Perhaps he saw a path through her back to goals he thought had become unreachable. She exuded the corruption and hate built by her mission/obsession. A corruptable elf presented a path to power... his attraction to her is not her but the path to power she presents.

It could also be that he was trying to "earn" forgivness... not because he belived he did wrong, or in legitimate atonement, but because he wanted to dodge his concequences.

That's a mighty thin limb to be out on and, more to the point, the show didn't reveal any of it. He's just tra-la-la out on the ocean with some human buddies, playing at being fishbait.

 

[Taurus]

I saw a video about that and that is true. One of the Valar defied Eru and created them but instead of destroying them Eru decided they deserved to live so he gave them life. It's also why they don't have a good relationship with the Elves.

They've had the opportunity to go into the sacking of Doriath, which explains why OG elves especially have a problem with dwarves.

 

[boutte]

Is there a reason that TV/Movie writing has been getting worse in recent years? Is there a diluted talent pool in that craft? I doubt that's the case. It just seems like there's a lot content but most of it is mediocre at best. It's all about splash and I love splash. But there's not a lot of meat to it.

And I know that it's always been a fact that most of what's on television is garbage but even the big productions from the studios (I'm looking at you Disney and Amazon) are turning out utter carp. Pretty carp but carp nonetheless. (And very expensive)

HoT D is doing it right so far. If they screw this up they'll never live it down.

 

[DaveXA]

Is there a reason that TV/Movie writing has been getting worse in recent years? Is there a diluted talent pool in that craft? I doubt that's the case. It just seems like there's a lot content but most of it is mediocre at best. It's all about splash and I love splash. But there's not a lot of meat to it.

And I know that it's always been a fact that most of what's on television is garbage but even the big productions from the studios (I'm looking at you Disney and Amazon) are turning out utter carp. Pretty carp but carp nonetheless. (And very expensive)

HoT D is doing it right so far. If they screw this up they'll never live it down.

I don't think it's as bad as you're making it out to be though. Every studio has their share of hits and misses. There may be talent gaps in some studios, but not really that bad.

There's a lot of garbage on TV, but there are still some gems out there, just fewer and farther between because there are so many offerings out there. There's a little something for everyone.

 

[Taurus]

I don't think it's as bad as you're making it out to be though. Every studio has their share of hits and misses. There may be talent gaps in some studios, but not really that bad.

There's a lot of garbage on TV, but there are still some gems out there, just fewer and farther between because there are so many offerings out there. There's a little something for everyone.

I think he means the big, tent-pole shows.
Jurassic World? Carp
Star Trek? Carp
Rings of Power? Carp
Thor, DrStrange, half the MCU? Not quite carp, more like the heated-up leftovers you get from a once-great restaurant after the OG chef leaves.
Star Wars? What you get when carp screws vomit, has a baby and the baby jumps into a dumpster fire because it can no longer stand the horror of it's own existence.

 

[J-Donk]

I think he means the big, tent-pole shows.
Jurassic World? Carp
Star Trek? Carp
Rings of Power? Carp
Thor, DrStrange, half the MCU? Not quite carp, more like the heated-up leftovers you get from a once-great restaurant after the OG chef leaves.
Star Wars? What you get when carp screws vomit, has a baby and the baby jumps into a dumpster fire because it can no longer stand the horror of it's own existence.

My fantasy show rankings right now are:

1. HOTD
2. Sandman
3. ROP
4. WoT

I don't think it's a great show, but it does have some cool CGI.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

I literally read this 20 seconds ago, "The Stranger and Nori are headed off to Rhûn since it was mentioned by the cultists as the only location the constellation he's seeking, known as "the Hermit's Hat," can be seen. Gandalf isn't known for venturing East, and the fact that the Blue Wizards went east is one of the few specifics Tolkien ever gave about them, so it would seem to point to one of them. If that's the case, then the heavy-handed Gandalf-isms spoken by The Stranger could be explained as being common sayings among the Istar."

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

What about the rings for the dwarves and the men? Sauron helped create those with elven smiths. Are they going to say that was later? I may be wrong, but I thought the dwarven rings and the rings for men were made before the elven rings which were made in secret without Sauron knowing.

"The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power has taken a slightly different approach to the order in which all the Rings of Power are forged. In the books, Sauron goes by Annatar—his fair form—instead of Halbrand. While he has a hand in helping Celebrimbor forge the other 16 Rings of Power, he does not directly help with the Three (similar to the show). The fact that he fled Eregion before assisting in making the other 16 Rings of Power leaves the door open as to how and when they will be made in season 2."

 

[Taurus]

The reveal scene was extremely disappointing to me.

Imagine that!

A lot of critics call Galadriel a Mary-Sue, in that she's extremely good at everything without us ever seeing how she got that way. My view is that she's not powerful enough. She's described as being the only other Elf in the same league as Feanor. That's some mighty company. She should be slinging spells and going toe-to-toe with Sauron instead of getting mindforked like a punk. Given that he does overpower her, she's made it clear she won't be his queen (why would a being as selfish as Sauron even want one?) and there's a perfectly good dagger right there...why leave her alive? In fact, a trip to the Halls of Mandos would be a great way to retcon her earlier personality. I'm also not buying a word of his little "You made me" speech. Like the right hand of Morgoth gave in to despair and decided to float around the Western Ocean for all eternity.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

The reveal scene was extremely disappointing to me.

Imagine that!

A lot of critics call Galadriel a Mary-Sue, in that she's extremely good at everything without us ever seeing how she got that way. My view is that she's not powerful enough. She's described as being the only other Elf in the same league as Feanor. That's some mighty company. She should be slinging spells and going toe-to-toe with Sauron instead of getting mindforked like a punk. Given that he does overpower her, she's made it clear she won't be his queen (why would a being as selfish as Sauron even want one?) and there's a perfectly good dagger right there...why leave her alive? In fact, a trip to the Halls of Mandos would be a great way to retcon her earlier personality. I'm also not buying a word of his little "You made me" speech. Like the right hand of Morgoth gave in to despair and decided to float around the Western Ocean for all eternity.

i think Sauron really wrestling with wanting to be good is going to be significant to the story

 

[DaveXA]

I think he means the big, tent-pole shows.
Jurassic World? Carp
Star Trek? Carp
Rings of Power? Carp
Thor, DrStrange, half the MCU? Not quite carp, more like the heated-up leftovers you get from a once-great restaurant after the OG chef leaves.
Star Wars? What you get when carp screws vomit, has a baby and the baby jumps into a dumpster fire because it can no longer stand the horror of it's own existence.

Yeah, that makes sense. He did make a reference to the broader state of TV, which isn't entirely wrong, but I don't think it's terrible either.

I do think the industry has been somewhat victimized by it's own successes and they're trying hard to repeat those formulas rather than trying anything truly original, if not groundbreaking. I think the Star Wars movies have been more miss than hit, but I also think they've done reasonably well with the spinoff series like Mando, Obi-Wan and now Andor. It's a mixed bag.

As for MCU, there's a lot I like about their model. I do think they've hurt themselves by expanding too much too fast. I mean, I love a lot of content, and I've watched them all, but I do this the overall quality has been affected by the sheer amount of work that needs to go into all of those productions. Maybe paring back the number and focusing on fewer headline shows would be better. The hero genre is oversaturated right now, and while MCU is my preferred go-to, I still like to make time for DC stuff if it's good.

I'm currently watching Pennyworth and it's a really good show. Peacemaker was excellent, The Boys is a ton of fun, Jack Ryan and Reacher were both solid shows by Amazon. So there's still good stuff to be had.

 

[Crzycjunx76]

i think Sauron really wrestling with wanting to be good is going to be significant to the story

I dont think it is so much "be good" as wanting to be forgiven... which him being in despair of his situation and desiring an exit is consistent with canon.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I dont think it is so much "be good" as wanting to be forgiven... which him being in despair of his situation and desiring an exit is consistent with canon.

Fair point

 

[sammymvpknight]

Yeah, that makes sense. He did make a reference to the broader state of TV, which isn't entirely wrong, but I don't think it's terrible either.

I do think the industry has been somewhat victimized by it's own successes and they're trying hard to repeat those formulas rather than trying anything truly original, if not groundbreaking. I think the Star Wars movies have been more miss than hit, but I also think they've done reasonably well with the spinoff series like Mando, Obi-Wan and now Andor. It's a mixed bag.

As for MCU, there's a lot I like about their model. I do think they've hurt themselves by expanding too much too fast. I mean, I love a lot of content, and I've watched them all, but I do this the overall quality has been affected by the sheer amount of work that needs to go into all of those productions. Maybe paring back the number and focusing on fewer headline shows would be better. The hero genre is oversaturated right now, and while MCU is my preferred go-to, I still like to make time for DC stuff if it's good.

I'm currently watching Pennyworth and it's a really good show. Peacemaker was excellent, The Boys is a ton of fun, Jack Ryan and Reacher were both solid shows by Amazon. So there's still good stuff to be had.

My biggest complaint is that everyone is excited to start a series but nobody is excited to end one.

Basic story structure crap:
An opener, an inciting event, series of crises that build tension, … and that’s it.

The climax and ending are a let down. And the reason is simple…you don’t make money from a climax and ending. You’re only interested in people tuning in. You have an explosive beginning with good enough characters and tension…but you have no idea what to do with it from there.

 

[Sandman]

"The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power has taken a slightly different approach to the order in which all the Rings of Power are forged. In the books, Sauron goes by Annatar—his fair form—instead of Halbrand. While he has a hand in helping Celebrimbor forge the other 16 Rings of Power, he does not directly help with the Three (similar to the show). The fact that he fled Eregion before assisting in making the other 16 Rings of Power leaves the door open as to how and when they will be made in season 2."

Thanks. I don’t like it, but at least they acknowledge they are going “off script” on the other rings of power.