[Merged] Saints Select Clemson DT Bryan Bresee (2 Viewers)

[saintmike23]

Really good evaluation by Chris Simms who goes against the PFF analysis on Bresee. PFF says that Bresee would often stand up the guard and wait to see what happens. Simms argues that it was coaching because he was the best player on the line and they would ask him to play 2 gaps instead of taking advantage of his athleticism, because that’s what the scheme called for.

 

[Joe Horn-et]

He played in a total of 26 games in his college career. His nickname should be Zion.

 

[B_doggman47]

I really like the pick. Bresee fills a big need on the D-Line. He's going to be an immediate improvement.

 

[kennydfresh]

Oh? Most injury plagued player? Do some research. He missed time, but to a singular injury. Little sis fought cancer and lost which caused him some lost time and a kidney infection (a non-football **illness**). The singular injury was a serious one - an ACL. It took him awhile to come back to normal.

The question is not that he is injury plagued, but how close to 100% he is and will the ACL cause future problems. That remains to be seen.

So I'll say this. Am I mad at the pick, nope! It took a piece of NEED off the chess board. I think he is an ok pick, I wouldn't have drafted him. Breese from scouting him, got a lot of his sacks(3.5) from stunts and coverage sacks. He is very good at stopping the run, especially those zone run plays.(if he does just that very well, pick well spent.) He should be money against ATL and that RPO zone run offense they utilize.

My criticism is I would have rather drafted a player with the same skill set and had a healthier history. How many times were fans frustrated looking at the injury list on Wednesday with dread counting the stars that were going to miss the game. The major reason our season was a waste last year(beside DA) was due to INJURIES. We are so close I don't want a repeat of last year.

 

[dennisrwood]

A defensive lineman with an injury history over skill position players? Not a fan.

 

[Belfast Saint]

I suppose I'll say this:

• Bresee fills probably our biggest and obvious area of need (DL and specifically a dynamic 3T with pass rush upside)
• We didn't trade up (and I don't think that there was much cause to move up, don't know if there was an offer or an offer with sufficient value to move down)
• The pick represents good value as Bresee is a top 5 player at the position of need, and depending on where you look, on the higher end of that scale - with a few exceptions, he was projected to be drafted in the second half of the 1st round
• Bresee has positional flexibility which suits what we do and what we need - he can obviously play 3T and that's where he likely spends most of his time, but I can see him being moved around to 1T, 4i, 5 and even 6 depending, though probably more so after some seasoning
• RAS score is obviously where we love it to be and physically, he's a top 10 pick type DT
• He's played in a major conference and in the 'big games' and playing against other NFL calibre athletes so the projection there is clean - he will not need to have an unusual adjustment period due to strength of competition
• While he's not the finished article and needs to work on technique/ develop etc, he's not 'raw' but with good measurables only
• He's a guy who one does not see as fizzling out due to lack of desire/ motivation (ala John Sullivan). He's been working on his craft since mid high school (working with pros) and appears to be a dedicated, coachable guy with a high motor style of play
• He's the youngest of the top 30 DT's available (21.56 years old) and this it's a reasonable assumption that he has room to grow/develop as a player
• He is young and this means that what he's done to date isn't down to the benefit of being a more experienced, older player vs less experienced, younger players - his best year was probably his first and there are reasonable explanations as to why he didn't quite stay at that level or progress beyond in it his next two years
• Has an injury history, which is a negative, though not one of continual mid level to serious injury, which is positive, but the real positive is that he's a 1st round talent with relatively little wear on the tires, even his last year he was on a snap count due to recovering from ACL and kidney infection
• From all accounts he's a very well regarded player by his team - liked, respected etc, not aloof or on the outside looking in

So, at 29 we did pretty well I think. There are no guarantees and any pick can turn out to be a bad one with hind sight. But we filled a position of need with a value player who, had he had a more regular/consistent college resume, would have been outside our reach due to the talent. Fingers crossed it pans out for him and his best footballing days are indeed in front of him, if so, we got a steal. We are due a little bit of luck in the injury/availability dept.

 

[Plow]

I like how the Saints stood firm at 40 and didn't reach. I picked "too early to tell", mainly because of the Davenport experience. Clearly Bresee has the talent and fills a big need for the Saints. Overall, not disappointed with the pick, just hopeful the injuries are fully healed.

 

[Joodas Avila]

Hey, everyone’s entitled to their opinion, so do you. On that note, I LIKE IT! Kancey was gone & the next best true 3tech was Bresee. Sure, the last 2 years were marred by injury & personal tragedy, but it seems like those days are behind him. To me, the is already battle tested & mentally strong given how he was able to play through what he did.

When you let this dude rush the passer, he’s exactly what we need in terms of inside pressure. He wins w/both power & twitch. To me, his role in year one is pretty clear. Bresee’s here to hunt QBs. & honestly, I don’t think we’re done addressing DT. I can see us bringing in another NT. Either way, I’m all good w/the pick. Bresee’s got legit pressure DT game & I think he’s gonna be a star.

 

[Belfast Saint]

Hey, everyone’s entitled to their opinion, so do you. On that note, I LIKE IT! Kancey was gone & the next best true 3tech was Bresee. Sure, the last 2 years were marred by injury & personal tragedy, but it seems like those days are behind him. To me, the is already battle tested & mentally strong given how he was able to play through what he did.

When you let this dude rush the passer, he’s exactly what we need in terms of inside pressure. He wins w/both power & twitch. To me, his role in year one is pretty clear. Bresee’s here to hunt QBs. & honestly, I don’t think we’re done addressing DT. I can see us bringing in another NT. Either way, I’m all good w/the pick. Bresee’s got legit pressure DT game & I think he’s gonna be a star.

Agree, a lot of options for big, run stuffers in mid rounds and back end of draft and beyond - Ika, Coburn, Clark, Roy, Martin, Silvera, Mustipher, Dale, etc. Need to pick one up there.

 

[Dan in Lafayette]

I suppose I'll say this:

• Bresee fills probably our biggest and obvious area of need (DL and specifically a dynamic 3T with pass rush upside)
• We didn't trade up (and I don't think that there was much cause to move up, don't know if there was an offer or an offer with sufficient value to move down)
• The pick represents good value as Bresee is a top 5 player at the position of need, and depending on where you look, on the higher end of that scale - with a few exceptions, he was projected to be drafted in the second half of the 1st round
• Bresee has positional flexibility which suits what we do and what we need - he can obviously play 3T and that's where he likely spends most of his time, but I can see him being moved around to 1T, 4i, 5 and even 6 depending, though probably more so after some seasoning
• RAS score is obviously where we love it to be and physically, he's a top 10 pick type DT
• He's played in a major conference and in the 'big games' and playing against other NFL calibre athletes so the projection there is clean - he will not need to have an unusual adjustment period due to strength of competition
• While he's not the finished article and needs to work on technique/ develop etc, he's not 'raw' but with good measurables only
• He's a guy who one does not see as fizzling out due to lack of desire/ motivation (ala John Sullivan). He's been working on his craft since mid high school (working with pros) and appears to be a dedicated, coachable guy with a high motor style of play
• He's the youngest of the top 30 DT's available (21.56 years old) and this it's a reasonable assumption that he has room to grow/develop as a player
• He is young and this means that what he's done to date isn't down to the benefit of being a more experienced, older player vs less experienced, younger players - his best year was probably his first and there are reasonable explanations as to why he didn't quite stay at that level or progress beyond in it his next two years
• Has an injury history, which is a negative, though not one of continual mid level to serious injury, which is positive, but the real positive is that he's a 1st round talent with relatively little wear on the tires, even his last year he was on a snap count due to recovering from ACL and kidney infection
• From all accounts he's a very well regarded player by his team - liked, respected etc, not aloof or on the outside looking in

So, at 29 we did pretty well I think. There are no guarantees and any pick can turn out to be a bad one with hind sight. But we filled a position of need with a value player who, had he had a more regular/consistent college resume, would have been outside our reach due to the talent. Fingers crossed it pans out for him and his best footballing days are indeed in front of him, if so, we got a steal. We are due a little bit of luck in the injury/availability dept.

Great, well-thought-out post, Belfast. Thank you.

He was interviewed by WWL after the selection and said he thought his versatility along the DL was one of his best assets (the Saints love that kind of versatility). Has played from one to nine-tech along the DL. No doubt he will primarily be a 3-tech, but it's good to know he can play anywhere along the DL.

EDIT: Belfast, you are either up very late or up very early, LOL. Either way, you are definitely a die-hard fan.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

The shoulder surgery was just a cleanup done in the offseason he missed no playing time. Do the research

I have, thank you. Just happen to respectfully disagree with you. I’ll be pulling for the young man, as I do with all the players the team selects.

Do your research on a “clean up”

Surgery is almost always last resort. Even the article stated that the shoulder surgery was due to an injury

It’s not worth it. Just lots of folks here who can’t handle another person having a different opinion. You can tell who they are as they’re always using the negative response emojis and they’re almost always rude snide and condescending.

I respect their right to their own opinion, even if sometimes I disagree.

I think this is still a Saints message board where we can discuss the team, think we can still disagree and have our own opinions.

 

[Belfast Saint]

Great, well-thought-out post, Belfast. Thank you.

He was interviewed by WWL after the selection and said he thought his versatility along the DL was one of his best assets (the Saints love that kind of versatility). Has played from one to nine-tech along the DL. No doubt he will primarily be a 3-tech, but it's good to know he can play anywhere along the DL.

Thanks Dan. Haven't had a chance to listen to the interviews yet, but look foward to it. We do place a lot of value on versatility as you say. One way to help mitigate against injuries! In many ways, he looks like a prototypical 5t at 6'5, 300

 

[JackDiesel]

Panthers just drafted a franchise QB and Falcons drafted a franchise RB. Young won't be able to see over Bresee and now we have a good rotation on the inside to help us shut down Robinson. Saints are fixing their biggest weakness last year and looking ahead.

Bresee isn't a small school raw defensive lineman. He's a freak athlete from a big time program that can make an immediate impact. Injury issues are overblown by a fan base that has shell shock but the reality is his ACL tear was 2 years ago and the shoulder cleanup surgery came after his best year so it clearly didn't slow him down.

 

[saint_drago]

As far as Saints 1st round picks go I can get behind this selection. It makes sense. The need for disruption up front cannot be overstated. They needed a disruptive force at DT and that's what they got.

They used the free SP pick on a high risk/high reward top 10 talent. They swung for the fences and I don't blame them. They didn't overthink this pick. They had a big time need at DT and they're gambling on big time talent.

 

[soggymoss84]

I really wanted Nolan Smith. Hopefully the Saints are smarter than me.

As Underhill noted at 230 lbs Smith is not a fit for us.