Nick Underhill: Saints Might Not Move on from DA (44 Viewers)

[Innominate]

Clearly you are though if you have this opinion of her.

She’s doing something you don’t like or isn’t living up to some expectation, so you are, in fact, asking for something more from her.

I should've get involved but I've had a couple vodaks. System responded to a post that said Ms Benson was clearly involved in personnel etc decisions. He was saying she isn't. He isn't saying she should be. He was responding to someone that says she is. I think y'all wires got crossed. Y'all agree but it got mixed up in all the back and forth on this thread.

Now, back to my vodak.

 

[Jesse Custer]

I should've get involved but I've had a couple vodaks. System responded to a post that said Ms Benson was clearly involved in personnel etc decisions. He was saying she isn't. He isn't saying she should be. He was responding to someone that says she is. I think y'all wires got crossed. Y'all agree but it got mixed up in all the back and forth on this thread.

Now, back to my vodak.

Kinda reminds me of when @Elvis and I used to go at it and then we both figured out that we were largely agreeing with each other, but the way we were interpreting the other's words didn't make it seem that way.

 

[St. Geezy]

I should've get involved but I've had a couple vodaks. System responded to a post that said Ms Benson was clearly involved in personnel etc decisions. He was saying she isn't. He isn't saying she should be. He was responding to someone that says she is. I think y'all wires got crossed. Y'all agree but it got mixed up in all the back and forth on this thread.

Now, back to my vodak.

Yeah that happens. Sometimes all the random usernames and avatars blend together and you forget which side is which.

My apologies, @SystemShock

 

[Saint Jack]

Keep in mind, ESPN hasn’t even begun their segments on “Which Coaches Are Getting Fired”

 

[SaintsMan209]

The more I listen to underhill the less it seems he knows what's happening. I like the guy but honestly question how much he actually knows about football. he made it seem like the new Defensive End we got was the 2nd coming of Reggie White this training camp.

 

[DaveXA]

Just going to drop this here. If you think Gayle isn't involved in personnel decisions, I suggest you read this article.

And this quote from Gayle says it all for me.

“Tom Benson expected it to run a certain way,” Gayle Benson said in describing firing a longtime car dealership employee. “And I knew if he were here, he wouldn’t put up with it. That’s kind of my attitude. As long as you’re doing your job and you’re doing something right, I don’t ever want to change anything.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/820761/2019/02/15/gayle-benson-new-orleans-pelicans-fire-gm-dell-demps-fired-replacement-candidates/

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

The more I listen to underhill the less it seems he knows what's happening. I like the guy but honestly question how much he actually knows about football. he made it seem like the new Defensive End we got was the 2nd coming of Reggie White this training camp.

He was going against our O line

 

[rlemieux]

The more I listen to underhill the less it seems he knows what's happening. I like the guy but honestly question how much he actually knows about football. he made it seem like the new Defensive End we got was the 2nd coming of Reggie White this training camp.

Not an underhill fan but in his defense he was getting portrayed the media as dominant day to day. Fact was we just suck at O-line.

 

[lilvipa221]

I just don’t understand what Mrs. Benson is doing so differently than 28 to 30 of the other owners that has people reaching this conclusion.

Are other teams owners out there lighting into their front office executives or coach publicly? No. Only a small handful of guys operate that way, and ironically they’re owners of teams that have been pretty moribund.

People are acting like this is our third straight 2-6 start or something. This truly is the first absolute “stinker” season and everyone is expecting the owner to come out guns ablazing to show she cares?

I don’t understand the expectations here. I know it’s been a long time since our team has been bad to this degree, but the behavior they’re looking for from ownership isn’t how most owners operate in these situations.

They have people hired to handle these football related things, and when it comes time to make a decision on those hires, they get talked about and handled behind closed doors.

We have a long tenured, 23+ year GM. We aren’t going to just fire him or blast him through the media the way people want him to be. As emotional as people are, the guy is going to get his due respect with how it is handled if they decide to make a move.

Sure this is our first 2-6 season and probably going to finish with 5-6 wins but most rational people see that this is a team in decline, not on the upswing. All of our top players are older and showing decline and some of our best young talent are not taking any steps forward. Meanwhile the rest of the league can improve their teams both through the draft and free agency.

We will have multiple sub .500 seasons in a row whether we blow the roster up or not. If anyone thinks that we can improve this team drastically by doing what they have been doing and not taking drastic measures to accelerate the process of getting out the hole, not this slow drag then it'll just take longer.

Also, in his 23 year tenure here take a look at Mickey's record without Drew Brees/Sean Payton. Until he proves that he can win without them that 15 year run had more to do with Brees/Payton than Mickey. Most of the drafts and free agency moves were busts during that period and Brees/Payton bailed him out. Mickey was the perfect GM for them during that period with his methods of kicking the can down the road but I dont think Mickey is the guy to lead a rebuilding.

 

[St. Geezy]

Sure this is our first 2-6 season and probably going to finish with 5-6 wins but most rational people see that this is a team in decline, not on the upswing. All of our top players are older and showing decline and some of our best young talent are not taking any steps forward. Meanwhile the rest of the league can improve their teams both through the draft and free agency.

We will have multiple sub .500 seasons in a row whether we blow the roster up or not. If anyone thinks that we can improve this team drastically by doing what they have been doing and not taking drastic measures to accelerate the process of getting out the hole, not this slow drag then it'll just take longer.

Also, in his 23 year tenure here take a look at Mickey's record without Drew Brees/Sean Payton. Until he proves that he can win without them that 15 year run had more to do with Brees/Payton than Mickey. Most of the drafts and free agency moves were busts during that period and Brees/Payton bailed him out. Mickey was the perfect GM for them during that period with his methods of kicking the can down the road but I dont think Mickey is the guy to lead a rebuilding.

Breaking News - NFL GM enjoys best years when he had good HC and QB

 

[RJ in Lafayette]

Agree totally with vilpipa's post above. Loomis was the right GM for a coach like Payton. At times, he was perhaps too lax--see bountygate. But with Payton, Loomis made it work. And he deserves much credit for making it work.

I do not believe Loomis has the skill set to now recognize what we need and do what needs to be done.

 

[whodatbe]

What I wonder during all this is does Mickey realizing he has to clear cap and do some sort of reset while using DA. He can't openly say hey my coach is not good, bc if he did what person would really want come here knowing the GM is gonna throw you under the bus sort of, where as the next coach knows he will have time to do his own thing. So Loomis will let nature run its course, get high draft picks next 2 seasons, then hopefully after the DA era is over, the team starts with high picks and some cap space.

I get that Mickey is backing DA, what is not helping Loomis is basically not showing the fan base some sort of hope with his choice of words.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Agree totally with vilpipa's post above. Loomis was the right GM for a coach like Payton. At times, he was perhaps too lax--see bountygate. But with Payton, Loomis made it work. And he deserves much credit for making it work.

I do not believe Loomis has the skill set to now recognize what we need and do what needs to be done.

I'm so sure about that. He took over in 2002, stuck with Haslett for 3 years. Haslett also did a better job then Dennis Allen with the exception of 05, cause of Katrina.

I think this coming offseason, is going to tell us a giant story about Loomis. If he keeps DA while continues to kick the cap issues down the road squeezing any talent he can to help DA win, then I fully agree with you.

But let's say he keeps DA and starts making moves to clean up the cap. What then? That hints that he is either unable to get a coach he wants, or doesn't believe he can get a coach he wants, and is going to use DA as a placeholder while he cleans the cap up (which is exactly what I think should have started this past offseason).

It could also mean still that he believes DA is his guy and he's just gonna have to clean up the cap issues so he can bring in some real talent to help him win (which imo, won't work at all and would be the biggest catastrophe)

 

[3ParStillDriver]

What I wonder during all this is does Mickey realizing he has to clear cap and do some sort of reset while using DA. He can't openly say hey my coach is not good, bc if he did what person would really want come here knowing the GM is gonna throw you under the bus sort of, where as the next coach knows he will have time to do his own thing. So Loomis will let nature run its course, get high draft picks next 2 seasons, then hopefully after the DA era is over, the team starts with high picks and some cap space.

I get that Mickey is backing DA, what is not helping Loomis is basically not showing the fan base some sort of hope with his choice of words.

Ya, I said this (perhaps in a different thread), but everything Mickey says right now is politics. He's just talking. We need to see what walking he does after the season. Mickey never has been a person who makes decisions based on emotion. Theres no reason to suspect he would now. We're just gonna have to be patient, wait and see what happens in the offseason. That's where he'll show at least some of his poker hand.

 

[Chris]

Fan anger should be fully directed at Mickey Loomis and Gayle Benson. Mickey has mismanaged our cap and allowed DA to keep doing what he's doing. He's the reason we are stuck with a bunch of old players with immovable contracts, which amounts to one of the worst cap situations in the league. Gayle should be blamed for failing to step in and take control of this runaway carriage.