Nick Underhill: Saints Might Not Move on from DA (2 Viewers)

[No2DC]

Lots of people can and do do that. In fact, highly successful people do it all the time. It tends to be unsuccessful people who don't rise to positions of power that don't understand their own faults and short comings. It's why self-evaluations are tools used by HR departments. It forces people to look at themselves.

Successful people may do this to improve their company because of competition, but Mick does not have that problem. HR is a mechanism to protect the institution/company's bottom line. HR can warn him against potential discrimination Ref flags. Mick ain't looking at himself, he's cashing checks.

 

[St. Widge]

Successful people may do this to improve their company because of competition, but Mick does not have that problem. HR is a mechanism to protect the institution/company's bottom line. HR can warn him against potential discrimination Ref flags. Mick ain't looking at himself, he's cashing checks.

It's not about competition. It's about self-awareness, self-respect, and demanding as much of yourself as you demand of others. That's how good managers think.

 

[tinman]

Do we have any good news????

I saved hundreds by switching to GEICO!

 

[fahad]

Yeah, Keep doing what you're doing..

 

[Chris]

I don't think that's a fair assessment. Most owners aren't football people, and almost certainly not at the level to run a successful franchise for any length of time. That's why they hire competent GMs to run the show. A competent GM hires a competent coach and talent scouts, and trusts those folks to do their job they were hired to to; just like the owner trusts the GM to run the football operation.

I don't blame the owner for this shipwreck....at least not yet. I blame the GM. And after 3 years of this circus, I fully expect that GM to make an attempt to rectify the situation between now and early January. If the plan is to "be patient" yet again, then I would expect the owner to say "no...unacceptable" and find a new GM. ML has had 2 seasons after DAs initial season to fix problems. Let's give the owner a similar time frame with the GM that the GM gave the HC. We don't need to "fire everybody". We just need at least 1 (HC) or possibly 2 (GM & HC) calculated hires to see improvement, IMO. I hope it happens...and maybe it's already in the works? I just hope the HEAT continues...

I mostly agree with you, however, I'm not willing to absolve Gayle as much as you are. "Who watches the watchers" is a phrase that comes to mind. I agree that the GM should take the majority of the burden off the owner, but if that GM has proven to be a significant part of the problem then that is when the owner should step in. That's assuming we are talking about the owner of a competently run NFL franchise.

 

[solarbear88]

We're slowly turning to the levels of the Jets.

Slowly? Thinking about it. Payton left and we became the Jets. Immediately fell to a .500 ball club, which is kind of a Jet standard of excellence, with no fight. And now one of the bottom 3 clubs in the league, another Jet like thing to do.

Go Jaints!

 

[Hedon James]

I mostly agree with you, however, I'm not willing to absolve Gayle as much as you are. "Who watches the watchers" is a phrase that comes to mind. I agree that the GM should take the majority of the burden off the owner, but if that GM has proven to be a significant part of the problem then that is when the owner should step in. That's assuming we are talking about the owner of a competently run NFL franchise.

I hear ya. I think we have the same thoughts, just differing opinions on timing. I'm over this fiasco that ML created, and has allowed to continue for way too long, IMO. I haven't gotten to the ownership level yet, and probably won't until the season is over and nothing has been done AGAIN. At that point, I'm right there with you...siamese twins we'll be!

 

[Saint Jack]

Slowly? Thinking about it. Payton left and we became the Jets. Immediately fell to a .500 ball club, which is kind of a Jet standard of excellence, with no fight. And now one of the bottom 3 clubs in the league, another Jet like thing to do.

Go Jaints!

The Jets haven’t made a playoff appearance since 2010.
There is a while before the Saints get to Jets standards.

 

[BreesusSaves]

The Jets haven’t made a playoff appearance since 2010.
There is a while before the Saints get to Jets standards.

The Jets fired their HC mid-season, traded for an old soon to be retiring WR for their old soon to be retiring QB, while watching Sam Darnold light it up in Minnesota.

Now THAT is some top tier mismanagement.

 

[Saint Jack]

The Jets fired their HC mid-season, traded for an old soon to be retiring WR for their old soon to be retiring QB, while watching Sam Darnold light it up in Minnesota.

Now THAT is some top tier mismanagement.

And the next Jets coach will be their 4th full time coach post Rex Ryan.

 

[solarbear88]

The Jets haven’t made a playoff appearance since 2010.
There is a while before the Saints get to Jets standards.

Feels like we instantly entered that realm when Payton left, went from making the playoffs every year to a .500 ball club instantly. Mickey, Ireland, DA all revealed as pretty inept without Sean to motivate or out scheme the other team.

We are currently 3 years into our Jet-dom. Will have to wait till about 2031 to see, but the franchise looks to be in a similar situation to the Jets in 2014. Poor management, poor decisisons, poor coaching, not admitting mistakes or learning from them. Not a building I'd want to be in.

 

[Saint Jack]

Feels like we instantly entered that realm when Payton left, went from making the playoffs every year to a .500 ball club instantly. Mickey, Ireland, DA all revealed as pretty inept without Sean to motivate or out scheme the other team.

We are currently 3 years into our Jet-dom. Will have to wait till about 2031 to see, but the franchise looks to be in a similar situation to the Jets in 2014. Poor management, poor decisisons, poor coaching, not admitting mistakes or learning from them. Not a building I'd want to be in.

But then, every team has a bad run/hire. Look the Cowboys once Aikman retired.
Only GB, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore have avoided it all for the past few decades.

 

[solarbear88]

But then, every team has a bad run/hire. Look the Cowboys once Aikman retired.
Only GB, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore have avoided it all for the past few decades.

Our cap issues make it hard to shore up weak areas. $80M over will make it hard to improve or change the trajectory of this team.

People think the team will change course by getting rid of DA, I am not so sure. Roster has glaring weaknessess and no way to address them due to Mickey's poor drafting and cap mismanagement. Dust off your paper bag, tough times are ahead.

 

[St. Widge]

Our cap issues make it hard to shore up weak areas. $80M over will make it hard to improve or change the trajectory of this team.

People think the team will change course by getting rid of DA, I am not so sure. Roster has glaring weaknessess and no way to address them due to Mickey's poor drafting and cap mismanagement. Dust off your paper bag, tough times are ahead.

We can be under the cap in three moves next year and we can be pretty much so back to a normal NFL team cap in like 2 years. It's not as dire as you think it is and it's not all doom and gloom for the future. DA needs to go but this organization is not falling apart. People are just mad about a bad season and are overreacting to it.

The cap isn't the issue although it should be fixed because there is no point going all in now and we will need the money later to sign the good players we do draft. The real problem is that the team has been mediocre at drafting since 2017. They haven't really been missing in the first round since Payton left (now that Penning is an okay RT and we stopped trading everything for DEs) but they haven't really hit on guys that are immediate stars. Maybe some of them will be, but they aren't there yet. The problem is compounded by not hitting on later round picks which is where you get your depth. The drafts haven't been awful but they have been mediocre so you have mediocre talent and a lack of depth.

But frankly, this team has enough talent and enough depth to be a 9 or 10 win team. What we are lacking is a coach to get them there.

 

[SuperSaint]

If they run this whole thing back next year and make no changes...

Good luck with season ticket sales.