PFT Live with Chris "Crybaby" Kluwe and Peter Ginsberg (1 Viewer)

[saintsfan26]

Talking about DJ Williams "non-human urine" specimen investigation now...

Sayin all the NFL did was provide the fact that the specimen was non-human urine, but no evidence regarding the collecting of the specimen (collector, the process of collecting a clean sample, why the collecting process would somehow get the urine from Williams and certify it as valid if it was non-human) -- making the case that they are ruling on partial evidence and not allowing conflicting evidence to be considered.

As far as the urine sample goes, lets just say that I have some experience in urinalysis exams. The person who collects the sample only checks to make sure the temperature is between 90-100 degrees. As long as it passes the temp test, then it is sealed up and sent to a lab for testing.

If the results come back as "non-human" that just means that Williams used a substitution. Synthetic urine. Yes they do make synthetic urine. Synthetic urine works great to pass your standard ordinary urinalysis tests, but if the employers pay extra money then the sample will undergo even further testing.

Synthetic urine has all of the ingredients that human urine has which is why it can pass most tests, but its one downfall is the fact that it lacks the urine odor, and it also doesnt foam up like real urine. So anytime you get a "non-human" result, chances are, synthetic urine was used.

Im not saying Williams is guilty, but from my experience, thats usually how it works.

 

[V Chip]

What will GW say?

G: We believe he will say Jonathan never put up money or took money to hurt players.

Goodell could release GW's ledger books... give us film that corroborates this system... I don't think it exists. Do I think there was Pay for Performance? There may well be, but that is far different than saying that there was pay for injury.

F: Why do you think the NFL is making that leap?

g: I don't know. maybe he got out in front of himself before he really examined the evidence and rather than reeling it back he continued down this line. He could have punished Vilma without making public allegations without accusing Jonathan of criminal acts, but rather than using what was available he decided to make this a public attack. I don't understand why he did it and I think most people who cover football will be disappointed that he followed this path.

 

[V Chip]

F: 18,000 documents sounds like a lot of evidence. Have you seen then and do you believe that number?

G: I don't think there is anything that proves bounty. Only information I have seen is through the media, nothing from the comissioner.

F: any explanation from the NFL why?

G: No.

 

[V Chip]

I think the stream ran out (I was 10 minutes behind trying to catch up from my phone call! drat!)

 

[saintsfan26]

Thanks for the recap guys

 

[efil4stnias]

He did not flat out say no. I think there was something to that.

If you want there to be, sure.

lawyers know semantics as well as anyone. Reading into word choices by Florio to Ginsberg and responses is futile.

Its so very simple.....Goodell states he has the evidence to prove this allegation. Show it.

If not, at this point, he is lying. Thats how simple it is. Ginsburg/Vilma are all in. Now they are publicly "calling" Goodell. Goodell better not be bluffing, or fold his hand after all the rounds of upping the bets along the way.

Funny thing is...he was upping them incrementally with every media leak, every speech, lil info here, lil there....but NEVER ONCE said "here in my hands...the proof" and laid it out for ANYONE ( including the accused ) to see.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

Lol
Chris Kluwe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this is what I got out of that:

Kluwe is also well known as...a troll...for...years.

 

[Rugger]

If you want there to be, sure.

lawyers know semantics as well as anyone. Reading into word choices by Florio to Ginsberg and responses is futile.

Its so very simple.....Goodell states he has the evidence to prove this allegation. Show it.

If not, at this point, he is lying. Thats how simple it is. Ginsburg/Vilma are all in. Now they are publicly "calling" Goodell. Goodell better not be bluffing, or fold his hand after all the rounds of upping the bets along the way.

Funny thing is...he was upping them incrementally with every media leak, every speech, lil info here, lil there....but NEVER ONCE said "here in my hands...the proof" and laid it out for ANYONE ( including the accused ) to see.

No it is not futile. He has flat out denied plenty of allegations and has made several very forthright and diminutive statements when answering questions. When asked if Jon ever offered 10000 grand, even in jest or as a motivator, Ginsberg was not as diminutive as he has been.

 

[saintsfan26]

He did not flat out say no. I think there was something to that.

Prove it.

 

[efil4stnias]

No it is not futile. He has flat out denied plenty of allegations and has made several very forthright and diminutive statements when answering questions. When asked if Jon ever offered 10000 grand, even in jest or as a motivator, Ginsberg was not as diminutive as he has been.

why would he be?

Jon Vilma is the accused - the reason Ginsberg is being coy. They WANT THE EVIDENCE. OUT IN THE OPEN. They are slowwwly luring Goodell to this point.

And I suggest u listen to his interview on the other thread with PK and Tim Ryan. He flat out denied that ever took place.

stop searching man. its just not there.

 

[The Mongoose]

Ginsberg was not as diminutive

He wasn't as small as he needed to be? Are you making short jokes at Widge again?

 

[NaJ88]

I think the stream ran out (I was 10 minutes behind trying to catch up from my phone call! drat!)

Are we talking about the urine sample or the internet playback?

 

[SaintJ]

I love hearing Ginsberg do interviews. Is there anything better than hearing a lawyer talk when he's defending your cause?

Yes.

Hearing a lawyer talk when he's defending your cause and someone else is paying his fees.

 

[V Chip]

Available on demand now:

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Ginsberg segment: NBC Sports

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

why would he be?

Jon Vilma is the accused - the reason Ginsberg is being coy. They WANT THE EVIDENCE. OUT IN THE OPEN. They are slowwwly luring Goodell to this point.

And I suggest u listen to his interview on the other thread with PK and Tim Ryan. He flat out denied that ever took place.

stop searching man. its just not there.

I think the main point is that that seems to be first time that Ginsberg didn't straight up answer a question, for whatever reason. It caught my attention as well. Actually, I'm surprised this is first time Ginsberg has answered a question in a deflective manner. I'm amazed that he's been answering so definitively.

As for Rugger's "I think there's something there" well, I hope not.

And, I have to say Florio asked excellent questions.