RB Ashton Jeanty as the Saints 1st pick? (14 Viewers)

[livefromDC]

Again, this is why my argument is based on the hypothetical grade we have on him. I have mentioned this on virtually every post I’ve made.

If we scout him and he grades out as a Ron Dayne, you obviously don’t take him.

Right. He's ignoring that Ron Dayne wasn't graded as highly as Jeanty is grading right now. Dayne wasn't the top RB in his class nor a top 10 pick so the analogy doesn't work.

The point is the Saints need to take the BPA available regardless of position. It's just that simple. Better talent, solves problems. If it ends up being Jeanty, then you get to trade Kamara or Miller for more picks. Your chances of landing a good players increases when you draft BPA. Ironically, I remember when Kamara was drafted and people were mad it didn't address a need since the Saints had just picked up Adrian Peterson to go along with Ingram. The Saints could have addressed whatever need people were clamoring to fill that day, but then the Saints would have missed out on arguably the best RB in Saints history. BPA increases your chance of hitting. Drafting based on perceived "needs," which arbitrarily limits the draft pool, leads to the problems the Saints are having today.

 

[DSnfla]

If he is available when we pick l would run to the podium, or hope someone is desperate enough to trade up with us to get him

At this point, maybe. We have 3 games to see what we have in Miller plus we still have a resurged AK for 2 yrs, don't believe all this he's going to be 30 nonsense AK works a tremendous amount on himself to stay in top shape and has at last 2 more yrs like he had this yr. So to draft Jeanty it would be a crowded backfield not to mention Taysom coming back.
But I do hope he's there and someone wants him bad enough to trade up with us to get him and we pick up a 2nd for a small move down

 

[DSnfla]

Everything about this is wrong. You never draft for the coming season. You draft for 2-3 years from now. On top of that, Miller hasn't even hinted to us that he can stay healthy. It seems as if he's missed more games then he's played, and that's with limited touches. There is absolutely nothing remotely appropriate for passing a generational talent at one of the most important positions on offense when your star RB is 30 and you have an often injured backup, just because you don't see the need for the coming season.

Not when drafting a RB. RB is the 1 position that can come in and make a big impact in yr 1. Miller has 3 more games this yr to show what he has and when he is healthy he has shown promise. We have a reinvigorated AK that has at least 2 more yrs at this level, plus Taysom coming back and don't let any he's not coming back or he won't be effective when he does nonsense make a difference. Our backfield would be overcrowded if we draft Jeanty
And not when we have other glaring needs @ DL and WR and TE. Weapons are good to have but weapons at more positions are better

 

[DSnfla]

I'll add that I would opt to draft T-Mac and Warren over Jeanty... But I would not pass on Jeanty if the other 2 were not available...

People need to stop worrying about "what this team needs more"... There is no such thing... This team needs players with top level talent everywhere... That's where the team is...

I am of the opinion that the offense needs a complete and total injection of young and talented skill players first (not more than other positions)... Jeanty fits that description...

Remember when we didn't need a WR because we had Olave? Remember when we didn't need OL because we had just spent back to back 1st rounders on them? Remember when we didn't need CBs because we had Latt and Adebo?

The "need" / "draft" discussions have to stop... we are in rebuild mode... we need everything - The "Glaring Hole" is the entire roster.. A generational talent at RB is not off the table... nor should it be no matter where we pick.

If it were up to you I don't think we'd ever draft a defensive player. When did anyone in their right mind say we didn't need a WR since drafted Olave? Maybe someone that thought MT would com back and be somewhat of his old self. We drafted Kool-Aid because DA is a freak on DB's and the plan was to trade Latt

 

[Mamba]

Ron Dayne wasn't a top 10 pick. He wasn't even the first RB taken...or the 2nd. Your analogy is horrible.

I don’t think you understand the point I was making, because what you’re bringing up has no relevance to what I was saying. But that’s okay. It’s not worth the effort to circle that block again.

 

[DSnfla]

Love the kid and how he runs, but the mileage on him is massive, I'm worried he will break down early

Yeah 720 carries in 3 yrs!! Man

 

[DSnfla]

DT2 indeed is a major hole. I don’t think the 2nd DT requires a top 10-13 selection.

We’ve invested a lot at DE every year. It makes sense to re-sign DE2 Chase Young, continue developing Foskey under DL coach Brian Young or another line coach, and add a DE in day 2 unless it’s BPA in the 1st. This draft doesn’t seem to have a pass rusher who will be more than the 3rd DE right away.

Saints have needs at almost every position to the point where none are more prioritized than the other. Whichever player is the best player on the board at the time should be selected. Using the 1st round pick based on position would be missing out on better players.

I agree but if Graham is miraculously there when we pick we run to the podium because he is a game changer and would make our whole DL better with a push up the middle

 

[DSnfla]

He's a cross between AK/Gibbs/Bijan with some King Henry tackle breaking ability. AK with homerun speed. There are clips of defensive lineman hitting him and falling down due to his strength, that is nuts. I don't think a lot of people realize that he can catch out of the backfield. He did it a lot last season, but this season they've used him primarily to run the ball.

Yeah 700+ carries in 3yrs and it's not over yet. WOW

 

[Saint Greg]

Yeah 700+ carries in 3yrs and it's not over yet. WOW

He should’ve transferred to a good school. The Oregon one is the only game that counts. Other than that he got ran into the ground against a bunch of nobodies. Who cares what he did against Georgia Southern?

 

[DSnfla]

After Mason Graham, there doesn’t seem to be a clear cut difference-making DL in the premium pick range.

Next best DT prospect isn’t top 10 worthy. Edge is a must top 10 pick if there’s a productive starter lacking at DE2 going into the draft. If Chase Young is re-signed, the top 10-13 seems too expensive for a rotational 3rd DE. A top 10 range player would have to be an every down or featured starter by year 2, whether its S, DE, DT, G, RB, WR, or TE.

Evaluation of the available draft board should be able to determine the pick more than the position. I think DE depth is needed. But it’s very hard to seeing a rotational DE as the automatic preferred pick above a clear cut starter at another position. It’s easier to let the draft board unfold on its own to make the pick.

I think that's why if we can do it a trade down makes the most sense

 

[Snakehead]

Yeah 700+ carries in 3yrs and it's not over yet. WOW

Derrick Henry had over 600, Breece Hall over 700, Kenneth Walker near 500, Bijan over 500, CMC over 600 and Barkley at 671. These stud RBs get carries in college. With AK and KM in on the roster, Jeanty would get a smaller load to start out his career allowing him to put some time between his final college season and his first NFL lead back season. This would be better for his career than to go straight to a team as a lead back adding a lot of carries from day 1. Through 14 games, we have 392 carries as a team, which is 28/game. If we stay at that rate, it would bring us to 476 on the season.

A roster with AK, AJ and KM dividing up ~500 carries over 17 games would work. Let AJ and KM handle most of the runs between the tackles, allow AK to focus more in the receiving game/3rd down like a Kevin Faulk/James White taking some of the load off him to extend his career. When he's done in ~2 seasons, then it's the AJ/KM show with whoever the next guy that add. A run focused offense that KK wants to run would benefit from 3 legit backs.

The draft has 2 complete stud offensive playmakers in Tet and Jeanty who will go high. Then it has a 1 stud DT and a couple stud DEs, all will go in the upper first. We need OGs who are available throughout the draft and I've completed numerous mock simulations demonstrating that we can add a playmaker like Jeanty, add DT(s), DE(s), TE(s) and WR(s) fairly easy. This is not the draft to need a QB, but it is a great draft to build a foundation for a QB. We need to do that, continue to build the foundation and add a weapon or three.

 

[sfidc3]

We have holes nearly everywhere, if we take a RB first when it’s a position we’re relatively ok at and one where it’s the easiest to find a starter in the later rounds, then I really would give up.

Extremely concerning that there are people looking at our roster and saying we should take him. We absolutely should not, would be a prime example of how not to build a roster.

Agree we have lots of needs.....but teams that draft strictly for need tend to not do well.....you always hope going in that needs align with BPA but there are no guarantees.....

I believe in the draft philosophy that you take the BPA regardless of position (with some exceptions) is the correct way to build a roster....and you address need in FA.....

 

[AARPSaint]

LiveFromDC has it right. Draft BPA irrespective of position. Maybe some other GM will want a trade-up. Or, you have potential trade possibilities. I’m coming around to the Bill Belichick scattershot theory of drafting; accumulate picks and coach the young players up.

 

[SirLoinSaint64]

The Saints need a Gibbs type guy. Dynamic. Can take it to the house. Or, a true bell cow guy and let Kamara limit his touches. I don't see the value of Jeanty at #10 over more pressing needs.

 

[mxpro32]

jeanty is the real deal. I've watched some boise games just to watch him.