Ross Jackson explores a Carr trade to Giants [ESPN NFL Nation Giants reporter Jordan Raanan says Derek Carr could be a trade option for Giants] (1 Viewer)

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Elvis said:
The kicking the can part of his cap hit is the only problem with his contract. Otherwise we could cut him and only take on $10m in dead money. It was the past restructures that we can't get out of.
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The kicking the can is how we signed him in the first place though. We couldn’t sign him otherwise.

Sure, we NOW know we shouldn’t have done it, but at the time, that was the only way to execute the deal that the football side wanted.

We knew the day we signed him that his deal would involve constant restructuring.
 
St. Geezy said:
The kicking the can is how we signed him in the first place though. We couldn’t sign him otherwise.

Sure, we NOW know we shouldn’t have done it, but at the time, that was the only way to execute the deal that the football side wanted.
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And that changes what I said how? It was a bad contract that should never have been given out in the first place. Many of us knew that then and the habit of giving coaches everything they want despite not being able to afford it hasn't worked out very well since it started with Payton. But at least back then we had Brees. You're just making my case for me at this point.
 
Elvis said:
And that changes what I said how? It was a bad contract that should never have been given out in the first place. Many of us knew that then and the habit of giving coaches everything they want despite not being able to afford it hasn't worked out very well since it started with Payton. But at least back then we had Brees. You're just making my case for me at this point.
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Are we talking about the restructuring strategy or the personnel decision? I’m getting confused. Feels like a moving target.

Yes, it was a bad contract. I literally said in my post that we now regret it now that we know the result in that it hasn’t worked out.

What is the dispute? My only point is that the contract structure hasn’t made getting out of it that much more egregious of a task than it would be for another player, like Wilson, with a large money deal.
 
They don't have to compensate us anything just take him, but you have to give up something I'll take a 6 or 7th rd pick.
 
According to Mascona (video below) if the Saints designate Carr as a june 1 cut his cap hit for '25 is 11 mil, and 28 mil in 2026. If he plays this year its 50 mil on the cap.

Under no circumstances do you restructure him again. You either cut him now or let him play. I vote the former.

 
St. Geezy said:
Are we talking about the restructuring strategy or the personnel decision? I’m getting confused. Feels like a moving target.

Yes, it was a bad contract. I literally said in my post that we now regret it now that we know the result in that it hasn’t worked out.

What is the dispute?
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Not a moving target. Both exist together and separately.

Strategy: The contract structure was the result of the restructuring strategy before he even signed here and it compounded the problem further. His agent knew the shape our cap was in and worked us over. And while we're having this discussion, Khai is likely working up the plan to kick another $20+ million again this year.

Personnel: We did that for a player that was signed for the ego of the head coach we just fired. There was little to no competition for Carr, especially at that price. We could have rolled with Taysom or Jameis or some other $4-5 million QB for a season or two and not been in this position. With the same results.
 

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