Rumor- "samuel Said To Be A "done Deal"" (1 Viewer)

[Gumbo's Dad]

If true that we will overspend like this, what is the next step to help with pass rush? I don't think we can just hope that Ellis or Dorsey will fall. What DT's out there in FA can help who are not franchised? I'm not sold on Balmer.

 

[MSUSousaphone]

I don't see why they don't just allow teams to talk with Free agents after the Super bowl, or the Pro Bowl even. You can still set it up when they can't sign until a specific date, but we all know he is going to be a free agent.

It would be like having a race without a set time to start. It would be chaos I tells, ya. :0007:

If true that we will overspend like this, what is the next step to help with pass rush? I don't think we can just hope that Ellis or Dorsey will fall. What DT's out there in FA can help who are not franchised? I'm not sold on Balmer.

There's ones that can help, but not enough for anyone around here to be excited about them. They would be guys who could start for only half the teams in the league or less.

Are only shot at big time DTs would be Rogers or Williams in a trade or Dorsey or Ellis in the draft.

Same with MLB....only in the draft.

 

[REALCHRISM]

I would not mind signing Samuel. I think he is talented cornerback. But more importantly, he's a smart player. There are guys with better skills than Samuel. But there are very few guys who are better at defending in WR in the first 10 yards. I am not suggesting that his skill set diminishes beyond 10 yards. My point is that he fluidity and the way he baits WRs is on par with the top CBs in the league. I happen to believe that Nnamdi Asomugha and Champ Bailey are better cornerbacks. After that, we get into a huge debate and I would argue that Samuel is a top 5 CB and definitely in the conversation on the best guys at the position.

If the Saints sign Samuel to the purported deal of 10 year, $100 million, I HAVE NO PROBLEM with it. Keep in mind the deal is likely to be backloaded. No one expects Samuel to play until he's 37. The key is really to look at the guaranteed money and I would say that $24 million is not bad. Keep in mind that Grant nearly got that on a shorter deal. So we are talking about $24 million spread out over 10 years. That's $2.4 million a year prorated. Chances are, we will see 6 years of the deal play itself out and he won't see the back end of the deal, which might account for just as much if not more than the first six years of the deal. I could easily see a deal with balloon payments of $18 and 20 million kind of like what we saw a few years ago with Steve McNair's deal with the Titans and, more recently, with Larry Fitzgerald deal.

Also, I think it is valid point to suggest that one man will neither solve the secondary's problems nor our defensive issues. But if the Saints were to go out and trade a second-day draft choice for Vilma (assuming he's healthy), draft either Dorsey or Ellis in the first round and a CB or LB in the second, I think it can be said that we have done a lot to address our defensive issues and improve the play of our secondary. I truly believe that our move on draft day will be to get a DT in the first and the best player available in the second. I also happen to believe that Samuel won't be our only move in FA, although it is difficult to project too many big money deals being handed out. But I think we will make the effort to add some key players. Also, watch out for guys like Calvin Pace, Demorrio Williams, and Jovan Haye. In the case of the latter, Haye's a smaller DT that Orgeron would seem to like on the surface. He's a restricted FA, but would only cost us a sixth rounder if we signed him.

 

[Infoman]

If true that we will overspend like this, what is the next step to help with pass rush? I don't think we can just hope that Ellis or Dorsey will fall. What DT's out there in FA can help who are not franchised? I'm not sold on Balmer.

Likely lots of good pass rushing DE available @ #10 this year... just saying.

 

[LSSpam]

I don't see why they don't just allow teams to talk with Free agents after the Super bowl, or the Pro Bowl even. You can still set it up when they can't sign until a specific date, but we all know he is going to be a free agent.

I assume it's a legal issue, a combination of the NFL financial calender year and contracts.

 

[fr3sh]

Yeah, hard to know if it's true or not.

But, I would like to know you opinion on Samuel converting to a man to man corner. Obviously it did not work well with David, but I'd have to think that Samuel's ball skills will translate. Do you think he can make the transition?

No converting/transition necessary. Asante is a top 5 corner for a reason. He can play all the schemes.

 

[Mamba]

I don't see why they don't just allow teams to talk with Free agents after the Super bowl, or the Pro Bowl even. You can still set it up when they can't sign until a specific date, but we all know he is going to be a free agent.

No matter where you draw the line, teams are still going to cross it. And the problem with drawing the line at the Super Bowl is that the teams who are playing deep in the postseason would be pre-occupied with trying to finish the current season with a Superbowl while other teams undoubtedly would already be shopping for players for the next season. I think the system is fine like it is. Everyone has a certain amount of "dead time" to evaluate their current roster and establish their offseason priorities before the next season officially "begins."

 

[DreadedWarrior]

we need him!!hes a proven cb! a real cb!..........this would be so awesome,please....let it be true!

 

[CargoJon]

I'm definitely exciting about adding a top name FA to our roster.

I'm also exciting about helping this thread reach 10 pages by morning...lol

 

[Pdlc]

This is a big move.

The words 'DONE DEAL' makes me think this is true.

Those are strong words.

 

[Mamba]

I know that no one wants to hear this, bu please just remember, don't get your hopes up yet. PFT has been known to "whiff" on stuff like this in the past because they're more willing to step out on a limb than other sites. And the fact that they use the phrase "there's been talk in league circles" is just vague enough for me to be skeptical. I'd rather be pleasantly suprised than completely let down.

 

[Jizamo311]

the big question is....is Asante a system player that fit well with NE or can he come here and also be a top notch corner....i mean we have all seen what happened with JD....

 

[MSUSousaphone]

I know that no one wants to hear this, bu please just remember, don't get your hopes up yet. PFT has been known to "whiff" on stuff like this in the past because they're more willing to step out on a limb than other sites. And the fact that they use the phrase "there's been talk in league circles" is just vague enough for me to be skeptical. I'd rather be pleasantly suprised than completely let down.

You're right....and with 2 1/2 days to go.....this will be a long few days.

 

[Brandon13]

I'd love to get Samuel but right now I'm going to assume he's going elsewhere to keep from getting my hopes up.

 

[waazup]

Asante Samuel
Mike Mckenzie
Jason David
Chevis Jackson
Usama Young

Cut Fred Thomas and Jason Craft.

If we keep craft and dont draft another corner in the late rounds, all we'd have would be a bunch of short CBs.