Saints expected to be very interested in former Packers/Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy [McCarthy will interview early next week] (56 Viewers)

[BBarnes]

Don’t like it. Don’t care what his regular season record is.

It’s no different than hiring Sean back. Literally one in the same when comparing numbers.

I guess I just trust Loomis more with a safe pick that I know for a fact will build the roster and team back rather than going with someone who is an unknown.

However, I’d be ok with McCarthy, Brady, or Glenn

Not sure what the is all about. The numbers don’t lie. They’re very identical coaches

Sean has been a HC for 17 years, Mike for 18 years

Sean is 170-105 as a HC, Mike is 174-112

Sean is 9-9 in the playoffs, Mike is 11-11

Sean has been to the NFC Championship 3 times, Mike 4 times

Sean is 1-0 in the SB, Mike is 1-0 in the SB

Sean has had a top 10 scoring offense 12 times, Mike has 11 times

Sean has had a top 10 scoring D 5 times, Mike has 6 times

He literally is Sean Payton 2.0 or Sean is Mike McCarthy 2.0

 

[TenTwo]

Meh.

I mean, there are certainly worse coaches you can get, but I want a young coach that can grow with the team.

Name one. I literally cannot. Everyone wants to hang onto his record but keep in mind the bulk of career was coaching Favre and Rogers, and then inherited Kellen Moore’s work with Dak. And when they lost a playoff game, he promptly and PUBLICLY blamed Kellen Moore and ran him out of town. Then went on to do worse without him.

HARD PASS on this bump on a log, stale coach who suckered Jerry Jones into believing he was the missing piece.

Yeah he got decent protection out of Aaron Brooks. That was 20+ years ago. What he was able to accomplish this season, that’s what you should expect.

 

[St. Widge]

I promise I do not mean any disrespect. However, could you imagine a GM ever even considering this in the slightest when discussing a possible candidate for their head coaching position? We both know the answer to that question is absolutely no, it would never be brought up. It’s hard as heck to even get to the Super Bowl much less winning. Only seven coaches in history have led multiple teams to the Super Bowl with different organizations. However, the last thing the Saints need to be worried about right now is a Super Bowl because they have an entire roster that needs to be rebuilt from the floor up. The guy that can best do that needs the job, regardless who it is.

This is an excellent point. I took it at face value that no coaches had won the Super Bowl with two different teams but did not bother to check how many had made it to the Superbowl with two different teams. You are right that it is 7, Shula, Parcels, Reeves, Vermeil, Holmgren, Fox, and Reid. I don't recall the details of the rest, but Vermeil was about a foot short of winning it on the last play. This makes it clear that the no coaches have won Super Bowls with two different teams is even less relevant than I thought when 7 coaches have made it with two different teams.

 

[St. Geezy]

That was with the Packers, no?
And I'll reiterate, no HC has won SBs with 2 different teams.

How many SB winning head coaches have had stints with other teams?

Couple that data point with the general difficulty involved in taking an open coaching job (presumably with a bad team) and winning a Super Bowl at all, and I’d say those overall odds are fairly minuscule.

 

[SystemShock]

Why is that relevant?

It is relevant for a couple of reasons:
You can't discount the Cowboys' record the last 5 years, which was not 4 NFCCG's and a SB (which was 2 WC losses and 1 divisional loss) and just go back 7 years to the record with the Packers for convenience.

Then fact that no HC has won a SB with 2 different teams, is just that.

So, if the expectation is to flounder in the playoffs and don't win a SB, then fine.

 

[St. Widge]

It is relevant for a couple of reasons:
You can't discount the Cowboys' record the last 5 years, which was not 4 NFCCG's and a SB (which was 2 WC losses and 1 divisional loss) and just go back 7 years to the record with the Packers for convenience.

Then fact that no HC has won a SB with 2 different teams, is just that.

So, if the expectation is to flounder in the playoffs and don't win a SB, then fine.

7 coaches have made it to the Super Bowl with two different teams. I don't consider getting to the Super Bowl with a shot to win floundering. And if you are there you have a shot and those coaches losing had nothing to do with them being with their second team in the Super Bowl.

Also, McCarty was 12-5 for 3 of the last 4 years in Dallas with one playoff win. You would like more, but if you are in the playoffs, especially with 12 wins, you have a shot. I'll take having a shot every year for the next 5 or so years. And if McCarthy can't get over the hump, then you just move on to a younger coach when he is likely ready to retire anyway and has built you a playoff caliber roster for your next coach to try to get to the Super Bowl and win it.

 

[lilvipa221]

Can I interest you in enough playoff wins to win a Super Bowl and get to 4 NFC Championship games?

He is not inheriting Aaron Rodgers in his prime……this Saints team also isn’t as talented as the Cowboys teams he could nothing in the postseason with either. We would be a poor mans version of the cowboys the last few years. The same cowboys teams that McCarthy led when everyone would laugh at them for failing in the playoffs.

Getting McCarthy would set us up with the Mickey loomis special 7-9 wins a season with no hope of a championship on the horizon.

 

[SystemShock]

How many SB winning head coaches have had stints with other teams?

Off the top of my head:
Mike Ditka (we all know how that went).
Mike Holmgren (Packers (SB) - Seahawks)
George Seifert (49ers (SB) - Panthers)
Mike Shanahan (Broncos (SB) - Redskins)
Jimmy Johnson (Cowboys (SB) - Dolphins)
Bill Parcells (Giants (SB) - Patriots/Jets/Cowboys)

 

[DaveXA]

This is an excellent point. I took it at face value that no coaches had won the Super Bowl with two different teams but did not bother to check how many had made it to the Superbowl with two different teams. You are right that it is 7, Shula, Parcels, Reeves, Vermeil, Holmgren, Fox, and Reid. I don't recall the details of the rest, but Vermeil was about a foot short of winning it on the last play. This makes it clear that the no coaches have won Super Bowls with two different teams is even less relevant than I thought when 7 coaches have made it with two different teams.

Goes to show, SB winning coaches tend to keep winning.

 

[St. Geezy]

Off the top of my head:
Mike Ditka (we all know how that went).
Mike Holmgren (Packers (SB) - Seahawks)
George Seifert (49ers (SB) - Panthers)
Mike Shanahan (Broncos (SB) - Redskins)
Jimmy Johnson (Cowboys (SB) - Dolphins)
Bill Parcells (Giants (SB) - Patriots/Jets/Cowboys)

Holmgren and Parcells both brought their teams to Super Bowls; that has to count for something, right?

 

[St. Widge]

He is not inheriting Aaron Rodgers in his prime……this Saints team also isn’t as talented as the Cowboys teams he could nothing in the postseason with either. We would be a poor mans version of the cowboys the last few years. The same cowboys teams that McCarthy led when everyone would laugh at them for failing in the playoffs.

Getting McCarthy would set us up with the Mickey loomis special 7-9 wins a season with no hope of a championship on the horizon.

He did nothing in the post-season with Green Bay?

And he helped to build those Green Bay teams that won a Super Bowl and he helped to build Dallas to 12 wins in 3 of the last 4 years.

McCarty has a career .608 winning percentage why you think he would suddenly become a sub .500 coach is beyond me.

None of that is terrible. People's expectations are totally out of wack for what is possible in the NFL unless you have Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady. Even Brees and Payton couldn't live up to these expectations.

And, if you don't think McCarty could do better than 7-9, what coach do you think could better that that is actually available to be hired?

 

[No2DC]

We just fired a retread, so let's try one more time. Mick will probably go the perceived safe choice but I wouldn't be surprised. I don't trust him and this probably won't end well.

 

[SystemShock]

7 coaches have made it to the Super Bowl with two different teams.

Just to clarify, I didn't mean just making it. I meant HCs who won a SB with one team, then got a HC job with another team.

I remember 6. Who's the 7th?
Mike Ditka (we all know how that went).
Mike Holmgren (Packers (SB) - Seahawks)
George Seifert (49ers (SB) - Panthers)
Mike Shanahan (Broncos (SB) - Redskins)
Jimmy Johnson (Cowboys (SB) - Dolphins)
Bill Parcells (Giants (SB) - Patriots/Jets/Cowboys)

 

[St. Geezy]

He did nothing in the post-season with Green Bay?

And he helped to build those Green Bay teams that won a Super Bowl and he helped to build Dallas to 12 wins in 3 of the last 4 years.

McCarty has a career .608 winning percentage why you think he would suddenly become a sub .500 coach is beyond me.

None of that is terrible. People's expectations are totally out of wack for what is possible in the NFL unless you have Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady. Even Brees and Payton couldn't live up to these expectations.

And, if you don't think McCarty could do better than 7-9, what coach do you think could better that that is actually available to be hired?

Fanbases these days want you to be a dynasty or else you’re a failure.

 

[DaveXA]

It is relevant for a couple of reasons:
You can't discount the Cowboys' record the last 5 years, which was not 4 NFCCG's and a SB (which was 2 WC losses and 1 divisional loss) and just go back 7 years to the record with the Packers for convenience.

Then fact that no HC has won a SB with 2 different teams, is just that.

So, if the expectation is to flounder in the playoffs and don't win a SB, then fine.

7 SB winning coaches have managed to make it back to the SB. With a different team. Odds are it will happen again, and someone will get that win at some point.

Anyway, it's still irrelevant because what history says doesn't determine how he'll do with the Saints.

As for his time with the Cowboys, he led a Dak quarterbacked team to 3 consecutive 12 win seasons prior to last year's injury riddled season. That's pretty impressive in spite of their playoff results. The guy made the playoffs 13 out of 18 seasons with 2 different teams.