Update Saints will interview Mike McCarthy in person during this week, Jan. 20-Jan. 25 [Underhill: McCarthy would have to be the current favorite] (179 Viewers)

[Rexman100]

He already failed at the pro level.

He failed but Miami had a top 5 D while he was there, immediately. He said, and we all pretend like we don’t know, but you need an ELITE Qb to win. Watch the pod then tell me he couldn’t win with a great QB. His D would be top 3, and he’d just need a QB. Period. Mickey here’s your chance to make it happen. You snooze you lose.

 

[Saint Jack]

He failed but Miami had a top 5 D while he was there, immediately. He said, and we all pretend like we don’t know, but you need an ELITE Qb to win. Watch the pod then tell me he couldn’t win with a great QB. His D would be top 3, and he’d just need a QB. Period. Mickey here’s your chance to make it happen. You snooze you lose.

There is a reason there are only a handful of CFB coaches that have worked in the NFL.
They’re amateur coaches.
You just had one of the greatest CFB coaches of all time in Urban Meyer crash and burn in just a single season.

 

[Rexman100]

There is a reason there are only a handful of CFB coaches that have worked in the NFL.
They’re amateur coaches.
You just had one of the greatest CFB coaches of all time in Urban Meyer crash and burn in just a single season.

I’m not going back and forth. When Bill Belichick himself said about Nick Saban, he’s in a class by himself, he has no peers. That carries more weight with me than anything.

 

[Rexman100]

Since people have been making age a thing, Saban is 73, McCarthy is 61. So....

Yep, age isn’t a thing. Unless you have dementia and are physically limited. Football is all about old school principles. The more old school the better.

 

[sfidc3]

And Brady was Allen’s QB coach for his two worst interception seasons of his career, excluding his rookie year. Perhaps a change in QB coach is what made the difference for Allen’s interceptions.

The idea that Brady took the Bills offense to a new level is just false since the Buffalo offense has been one of the best for several years now. DVOA ranks by year:

2020 - 4th (Daboll)
2021 - 9th (Daboll)
2022 - 2nd (Dorsey)
2023 - 3rd (Dorsey/Brady)
2024 - 2nd (Brady)

Brady went to Carolina and failed, just like Kellen Moore went to the Chargers and failed. Both coaches got another opportunity with a much better roster, and those rosters got their names added to the HC shortlist.

He actually had more in 2021 than 2022 but yes he had his worst INT year in 2023 when Dorsey was still OC and Brady was the QB coach.....yes the offense was prolific with Allen before Brady got there but they were not elite....

It's accurate and a good point, but apparently the Bills saw Dorsey as the problem and Brady as the solution (as they fired Dorsey mid season and promoted Brady to OC) and I'd say it's worked out pretty well so far.....since Brady has been the OC Josh Allen's turnovers have gone way down (13 INTs in 25 games, and only 3 fumbles lost) which is a definite factor why they are still playing right now.....

And if both Brady and Moore were so terrible, why did they continue to get opportunities?

 

[Rexman100]

Wait. So Aaron Glenn left the Jets without a contract? Is this a fact yet?

 

[St. Geezy]

And Brady was Allen’s QB coach for his two worst interception seasons of his career, excluding his rookie year. Perhaps a change in QB coach is what made the difference for Allen’s interceptions.

The idea that Brady took the Bills offense to a new level is just false since the Buffalo offense has been one of the best for several years now. DVOA ranks by year:

2020 - 4th (Daboll)
2021 - 9th (Daboll)
2022 - 2nd (Dorsey)
2023 - 3rd (Dorsey/Brady)
2024 - 2nd (Brady)

Brady went to Carolina and failed, just like Kellen Moore went to the Chargers and failed. Both coaches got another opportunity with a much better roster, and those rosters got their names added to the HC shortlist.

Yeah even his time at LSU brings questions. Was he key to that offense and make those guys or did he happen to stumble upon arguably the most talented QB1, WR1, and WR2 combo in the history of college football who are all now tearing up the league?

 

[St. Widge]

He actually had more in 2021 than 2022 but yes he had his worst INT year in 2023 when Dorsey was still OC and Brady was the QB coach.....yes the offense was prolific with Allen before Brady got there but they were not elite....

It's accurate and a good point, but apparently the Bills saw Dorsey as the problem and Brady as the solution (as they fired Dorsey mid season and promoted Brady to OC) and I'd say it's worked out pretty well so far.....since Brady has been the OC Josh Allen's turnovers have gone way down (13 INTs in 25 games, and only 3 fumbles lost) which is a definite factor why they are still playing right now.....

And if both Brady and Moore were so terrible, why did they continue to get opportunities?

I think Brady and Moore are both good coaches. But as already noted, we don't know what kind of leaders they are and how good they are at running an entire team. To some extent you can't know that until someone has the job. But, at the same point, sometimes you can tell those things in an interview or from talking to people who have worked with them before and/or players that played for them. So, in the end, there is really no way we can know if those guys, or any of these guys outside of McCarty, can lead a team and run a team properly.

I'm not happy about the situation, but we just have to live with the fact that Loomis, Mueller, Ziegler, Parenton, Ireland, and Harley will have to decide if those guys have those abilities. It's easy for us to say just take a chance, but if these guys have talked to them and others and have come away with the impression that they don't have those things (and you would think they would not have a pretty good idea by comparing DA to Payton) then they aren't going to take that chance.

But, who knows, maybe they talked to Brady and Moore and they do think they are leaders of men who will come in change how things are done and make sure the entire team is being run properly. Or maybe they think that's Weaver or Kakfa.

 

[St. Widge]

Wait. So Aaron Glenn left the Jets without a contract? Is this a fact yet?

That is a fact. But they are apparently still talking and the Jets job is his if he wants it. If I had to guess this is likely either about how much money he and Newmark are going to get paid as well as how much money Glenn will have to build his staff. But, I do think that he ends up with the Jets in the end. If for no other reason, it doesn't look like anyone will be able to fly into new Orleans until Thursday or Friday so we won't even get to make our pitch.

 

[Saint Jack]

I’m not going back and forth. When Bill Belichick himself said about Nick Saban, he’s in a class by himself, he has no peers. That carries more weight with me than anything.

Saban is a class by himself. In college.
The vast majority of college coaches from Wilkerson to Devine to Holtz to Saban to Meyer are failures. And usually epic failures.

 

[Rexman100]

That is a fact. But they are apparently still talking and the Jets job is his if he wants it. If I had to guess this is likely either about how much money he and Newmark are going to get paid as well as how much money Glenn will have to build his staff. But, I do think that he ends up with the Jets in the end. If for no other reason, it doesn't look like anyone will be able to fly into new Orleans until Thursday or Friday so we won't even get to make our pitch.

Hmm, I’m starting to think it may be that he’s leveraging the jets against the Saints. View from the outside: Jets : turmoil, old arrogant QB. Saints: warm, welcoming and sweet. Not to mention the easiest division. ( I mentioned yesterday).

 

[44slayer]

But I say, just hire MM.
He’s a solid HC and will give the franchise some much needed stability.

As long as it isnt Rizzi or Glenn and to some degree Kafka and Weaver, we will be ok enough. MM is the safest bet, but it just his willingness to slog through 25 and get to 26. And the fanbases patience to understand 25 is a necessary evil to get to 26 in a better position.

 

[St. Widge]

Saban is a class by himself. In college.
The vast majority of college coaches from Wilkerson to Devine to Holtz to Saban to Meyer are failures. And usually epic failures.

That's largely true, but there are some notable exceptions like Jimmy Johnson and Bill Walsh. Even Barry Switzer won in Dallas with Jimmy's team. I'm skeptical of any college coach moving to the pros, but some guy have done it successfully. In fact, one of the top candidates this year, Kliff Kingsbury, made the move from college to the pros and was actually doing a good job until his last year got derailed by an injury to Murray. And now he's one of the hot candidates again.

 

[St. Widge]

Hmm, I’m starting to think it may be that he’s leveraging the jets against the Saints. View from the outside: Jets : turmoil, old arrogant QB. Saints: warm, welcoming and sweet. Not to mention the easiest division. ( I mentioned yesterday).

Probably, but at the same point all the leverage he needs is to refuse to take the job until they meet his demands. They have already let it be know that the job is his if he wants it. The Jets really have no leverage. Especially when he is a package deal with a new GM.

 

[St. Geezy]

Hmm, I’m starting to think it may be that he’s leveraging the jets against the Saints. View from the outside: Jets : turmoil, old arrogant QB. Saints: warm, welcoming and sweet. Not to mention the easiest division. ( I mentioned yesterday).

I really have a hard time seeing a former player turning down a HC offer from the (primary) team he played for unless he gets absolutely blown away by our offer, and I don’t see us doing anything like that for him.

As I have stated before, that’s pretty much the ultimate dream for a former player that gets into coaching.