Should have kept Jameis (2 Viewers)

[jahsoul357]

At this point I’m convinced you are Jameis Winston or a family member. Literally no one but you maybe not even Jameis himself would consider putting him in the same class as Lamar Jackson. You’re creating layers to this topic that arent there because Jameis had one good week.

This is the response of someone who know they can't really refute anything I said. We live in a "football society" that believes success equals skill. You will say that Jameis and Lamar isn't in the same tier but what you will point to is Lamar's success and accolades. But if you had an honest conversation about the position itself (which most don't), what I'm saying is clear. Who makes better anticipatory throws? Who is better in the pocket? Who is better at processing the field? Who has better footwork? These are things that yall never talk about when talking about QB play. You only talk about "success." There is a reason why Harbaugh (smartly) scrapped the entire Ravens timing based, WCO going into 2019. Because we all saw Lamar run it in 2018 and it wasn't pretty. They built a scheme around his strengths and what he does. This isn't saying that Lamar hasn't gotten better at passing over the years. This is saying that there are offenses that Lamar could not play in. This is why I bring up coaching and scheme the way that I do; most don't even know some of their favorites are "schemed" for success.

You think Russ fell off a cliff because of age? Crap no; he fell off a cliff because he wanted to be seen in more of a traditional QB light but that has never been his skillset. You remember when everybody wanted him here and I said that it wasn't a good fit because skillwise, Russ and CSP were like oil and water, and then everyone brought up his past success?

And this isn't just talking about one good game, as more often than not, he had games like this in Tampa. The Bucs just always had a bad defense (funny how we understand this concept in a limited scope).

 

[Deuuuuce]

This is the response of someone who know they can't really refute anything I said. We live in a "football society" that believes success equals skill. You will say that Jameis and Lamar isn't in the same tier but what you will point to is Lamar's success and accolades. But if you had an honest conversation about the position itself (which most don't), what I'm saying is clear. Who makes better anticipatory throws? Who is better in the pocket? Who is better at processing the field? Who has better footwork? These are things that yall never talk about when talking about QB play. You only talk about "success." There is a reason why Harbaugh (smartly) scrapped the entire Ravens timing based, WCO going into 2019. Because we all saw Lamar run it in 2018 and it wasn't pretty. They built a scheme around his strengths and what he does. This isn't saying that Lamar hasn't gotten better at passing over the years. This is saying that there are offenses that Lamar could not play in. This is why I bring up coaching and scheme the way that I do; most don't even know some of their favorites are "schemed" for success.

You think Russ fell off a cliff because of age? Crap no; he fell off a cliff because he wanted to be seen in more of a traditional QB light but that has never been his skillset. You remember when everybody wanted him here and I said that it wasn't a good fit because skillwise, Russ and CSP were like oil and water, and then everyone brought up his past success?

And this isn't just talking about one good game, as more often than not, he had games like this in Tampa. The Bucs just always had a bad defense (funny how we understand this concept in a limited scope).

I’m not refuting you because of your obvious bias. ‘We live in a football society that believes success equals skill’? Are you okay man?

 

[jahsoul357]

I’m not refuting you because of your obvious bias. ‘We live in a football society that believes success equals skill’? Are you okay man?

Bias? How is there bias by saying that when talking about the quarterback position, yall don't actually talk about skill at the position; you talk about success? And I was very clear with that point. This also isn't saying that Lamar Jackson is a bad QB; he is a different type of QB but if you asked him to do traditional QB things, he won't. Everybody cries over Sean Payton not picking him in 2018, but ask yourself, would he be a fit? Do you think Sean Payton, as a playcaller and what he likes to do, would scrap his entire offense for a RPO style, run based offense? Jackson worked because he had a coach who fired his entire offensive staff to build an offense around Lamar's skillset. It seems like yall are purposely missing that part.

 

[UFCSaint]

At this point I’m convinced you are Jameis Winston or a family member. Literally no one but you maybe not even Jameis himself would consider putting him in the same class as Lamar Jackson. You’re creating layers to this topic that arent there because Jameis had one good week.

It's the same 3 or 4 guys every time. I know this because I blocked them back when I finally got sick of the crap... And now every time threads pop up about JW.... I see a whole lot of... "You are ignoring content by this member"

 

[Deuuuuce]

It's the same 3 or 4 guys every time. I know this because I blocked them back when I finally got sick of the crap... And now every time threads pop up about JW.... I see a whole lot of... "You are ignoring content by this member"

You’re not missing anything lol. I don’t know why I get sucked in to this debate all the time. I think it just bugs me because this topic always comes up when the Saints are doing bad and that is when the few that you’re talking about really start to troll.

 

[sfidc3]

I mean, I was among the biggest JW fans on the board, he's not here any longer.....I'm still a fan and wish him well unless he's playing the Saints....

With the right OC and offense I think JW could be a quality starter, I think CSP was on his way to proving that until the injury happened....we will see what happens from here on out....

 

[louder]

No, we shouldn’t have kept Jameis. He is who he’s always been - inconsistent.
The only time he played better was under Payton’s direction. He was more focused and successful with Sean.
Otherwise, he tries to play the hero, launching YOLO balls into triple coverage.

 

[jahsoul357]

I mean, I was among the biggest JW fans on the board, he's not here any longer.....I'm still a fan and wish him well unless he's playing the Saints....

With the right OC and offense I think JW could be a quality starter, I think CSP was on his way to proving that until the injury happened....we will see what happens from here on out....

This is my view as well; coaching and scheming. I knew he had to go after the Atlanta game but didn't understand going to Cleveland, until I read about Stefanski and Dorsey. He is a perfect scheme fit (Shanahan-Kubiak + Erhardt-Perkins is crazy..lol) and I guess his gamble paid off. Like you said, we'll see what happened from here. Outside a few weeks from now, hope the best for him..lol

 

[timpoulos]

Could have had Jameis plus 20 mil in oline and receiving help

Instead we got Carr with nobody to throw to and nobody to blockf or him. Winston won them the game vs the Ravens.

Then again, we almost got Watson so could be worse

Where do you get this crap from? I'm glad you're not running the team

 

[Kingston]

I'm so glad Jameis blew off DA and called a TD for Williams last season. Took balls which nobody on the staff has.

Balls like Payton letting the Saints run the score up on the Vikings Christmas Day so AK could reach his bonus. DA doesn’t think like that because he has no leadership did AK need 6 TD’s? no but he got his bonus and it was fun. Did we tell the Vikings we were sorry after that one? Nope

 

[Kingston]

At this point I’m convinced you are Jameis Winston or a family member. Literally no one but you maybe not even Jameis himself would consider putting him in the same class as Lamar Jackson. You’re creating layers to this topic that arent there because Jameis had one good week.

I am that he is without doubt Jameis Winston. First off no one but the actual player would know some of the stuff he is saying. We all follow the game but he knows specific throws and what the read consepts were on the play. Not to mention the hyper specific stats he is using.

Personally I love it. What makes me believe it is him because Winston still posting stuff on a saints fan board even if he is on another team is just about exactly what I would expect him to do. I believe him to be one of the truest human beings in the game and I want him to succeed and thrive because the nfl needs more players like him that actually and truly care.

 

[lilvipa221]

Where do you get this crap from? I'm glad you're not running the team

For all of you making fun of keeping Jameis and saving 30 million dollars a year......

Here's a fact:

Jameis win percentage as a starter 43%
Derek Carr win percentage as a starter 45%

Yeah there is no difference between the two. They are both average, one is just more highly paid.

 

[kwkrnu]

Not understanding the logic there....he threw a few, what should have been picks, and came within a butterfingers chance at the game sealing one on the go ahead drive.

It's opinions like that, that make me SUPER glad it's someone else controlling what happens with this team, and NOT it's fanbase. Wow....

 

[webster]

I always thought JW had what it took to be a solid backup in the league. Going into the season with no viable backup was stupid.