Should have kept Jameis (2 Viewers)

[sfidc3]

Chris Simms has the same credentials as Kurt, i.e. media credentials. They're just guys with opinions who aren't trusted to make decisions for NFL franchises.

The evaluators who work for NFL teams outweigh a media guy in every single scenario. Not one of them wanted this QB in a league desperately searching for quality at the position. The team that *did* sign him made him their #3 QB.

Cold, hard facts remain undefeated.

You are leaving out a cold, hard fact.....Those guys are human and are wrong sometimes.....

 

[jahsoul357]

It sure sounds like you’re comparing Winston’s situation to Drew’s when he got here.

The reason Jameis is not seen by most as capable of leading a team even for 2-3 years is not because of his dropback or how he reads defenses. It’s his 5 or so throws a game that are turnover worthy. It just takes 2 or 3 of those to lose you a game, hence his losing record. The sample size is there.

I would actually say that their situation is nothing alike, because Drew came with more uncertainty. But all I said is Drew was 3 years younger. Also, could you let me know what season he averaged 5 turnover worthy throws a game?

Chris Simms has the same credentials as Kurt, i.e. media credentials. They're just guys with opinions who aren't trusted to make decisions for NFL franchises.

The evaluators who work for NFL teams outweigh a media guy in every single scenario. Not one of them wanted this QB in a league desperately searching for quality at the position. The team that *did* sign him made him their #3 QB.

Cold, hard facts remain undefeated.

You are proving my point. Kurt isn't doing this from a "media" perspective. Kurt Warner is breaking down film and basing his opinion based on what is happening on the field. If you believe how Chris Simms evaluate, do you agree that Anthony Richardson is a bonified starter and do you believe that Will Levis has shown on the field that he is a better QB than Jayden Daniels?

 

[TribuneUK]

You are leaving out a cold, hard fact.....Those guys are human and are wrong sometimes.....

You are conveniently overlooking a colder, harder fact - the chance of all 32 being wrong about the same thing is infinitesimally small.

None of which changes the fact that not one of them evaluate him as a starting QB in the NFL. The man who, by his own words, left in search of a starting QB job, couldn't get one anywhere.

 

[Deuuuuce]

I would actually say that their situation is nothing alike, because Drew came with more uncertainty. But all I said is Drew was 3 years younger. Also, could you let me know what season he averaged 5 turnover worthy throws a game?

Pretty much every game i’ve watched him in the last couple of years he has thrown some really risky passes. Admittedly I don’t follow his career like you do, but from what i’ve seen he is a boom or bust type of qb which is good enough to be a backup, but not a franchise qb.

 

[sfidc3]

You are conveniently overlooking a colder, harder fact - the chance of all 32 being wrong about the same thing is infinitesimally small.

None of which changes the fact that not one of them evaluate him as a starting QB in the NFL. The man who, by his own words, left in search of a starting QB job, couldn't get one anywhere

By that logic, no back up QB or lower round draft pick QB would ever turn into a quality starter.....because those guys are almost never, ever wrong (well, in this example, only 31 of them were wrong).....nice try.....

 

[TribuneUK]

By that logic, no back up QB or lower round draft pick QB would ever turn into a quality starter.....because those guys are almost never, ever wrong (well, in this example, only 31 of them were wrong).....nice try.....

There's something called learning by experience. The league has learned by experience that he's no starter, as far as any NFL franchise is concerned.

I have no issue with Jameis the QB. He's going on his Joe Flacco late career arc. Good luck with that.

I have issue with people trying to tell the world that he's something he isn't. Quoting a media guy as the ineffable truth is fiction and fantasy. He's not an NFL starter by every measure that counts, primary among them being the viewpoint of 32 NFL franchises' decision makers.

 

[sfidc3]

There's something called learning by experience. The league has learned by experience that he's no starter, as far as any NFL franchise is concerned.

I have no issue with Jameis the QB. He's going on his Joe Flacco late career arc. Good luck with that.

I have issue with people trying to tell the world that's he's something he isn't. Quoting a media guy as the ineffable truth is fiction and fantasy. He's not an NFL starter by every measure that counts, primary among them being the viewpoint of 32 NFL franchises' decision makers.

Late career arc? He is only 30.....I hope he proves those infallible 32 NFL franchise decision makers (plus you) wrong....we will see....I don't think it is as slam dunk as you think it is.....

 

[treeduck]

Neither Carr or Winston are the answer.

 

[TribuneUK]

....I don't think it is as slam dunk as the NFL think it is.....

FIFY

 

[kcirdor]

 

[jahsoul357]

Pretty much every game i’ve watched him in the last couple of years he has thrown some really risky passes. Admittedly I don’t follow his career like you do, but from what i’ve seen he is a boom or bust type of qb which is good enough to be a backup, but not a franchise qb.

I say all the time that I went back and looked at Tampa because I really wanted to understand why and how we got him. Tape showed WAY more good than bad, but things are always narrative driven. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Jameis is Andrew Luck without the infinite goodwill. He was as boom or bust as Jameis is. He just had the benefit of playing in the AFC South. But we don't speak on them the same....for reasons...

I have issue with people trying to tell the world that's he's something he isn't. Quoting a media guy as the ineffable truth is fiction and fantasy.

The funny thing is people that don't know football are trying to tell us what he is. I've learned that people at home who rely on the eye test knows how to evaluate quarterbacks better than a Hall of Fame quarterback that....*checks notes*....evaluates quarterbacks.

He's not an NFL starter by every measure that counts, primary among them being the viewpoint of 32 NFL franchises' decision makers.

Quoting a great poet, Michael Jones...

"Back then, **** didn't want me/Now I'm hot, **** all on me"

 

[No2DC]

I say all the time that I went back and looked at Tampa because I really wanted to understand why and how we got him. Tape showed WAY more good than bad, but things are always narrative driven. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Jameis is Andrew Luck without the infinite goodwill. He was as boom or bust as Jameis is. He just had the benefit of playing in the AFC South. But we don't speak on them the same....for reasons...


The funny thing is people that don't know football are trying to tell us what he is. I've learned that people at home who rely on the eye test knows how to evaluate quarterbacks better than a Hall of Fame quarterback that....*checks notes*....evaluates quarterbacks.


Quoting a great poet, Michael Jones...

"Back then, **** didn't want me/Now I'm hot, **** all on me"

Good for him!

 

[Jesse Custer]

I'm sorry, is someone citing Chris Simms as being equal to Kurt Warner? A Super Bowl winner and Hall of Famer vs. a JAG who consistently didn't rank Drew Brees in the top half of the league? That Chris Simms?

 

[TribuneUK]

He's not an NFL starter by every measure that counts, primary among them being the viewpoint of 32 NFL franchises' decision makers.

This is still all true. Not one iota of contradictory evidence to date. No 'eye test' here. No narrative. No hopeless extrapolation of cherry picked statistics. He's a backup QB as far as the people whose opinion counts are concerned. People in the media say things that have no impact on actual football decisions.

 

[TribuneUK]

I'm sorry, is someone citing Chris Simms as being equal to Kurt Warner? A Super Bowl winner and Hall of Famer vs. a JAG who consistently didn't rank Drew Brees in the top half of the league? That Chris Simms?

That was the point, it was a deliberately perverse comparison. Because despite how we might perceive them stood next to each other, they're still both just media guys. Warner has no more sway in the decision making of NFL franchises than Chris Simms does.