Should have kept Jameis (2 Viewers)

[jahsoul357]

So what? Happens in almost every game, to lots of QBs..

I've said this years ago and it still hold true. A lot of analysis is not necessarily based on the "what" but on the "who." And based off the "who" is how we analyze the "what."

The crazy thing is this game dispelled everything that folks on this board try to

-"Can't read pre-snap." - Their offense is based on determining where to go with the ball pre-snap
-"Can process" - Although this has been debunked plenty of times, the offense doesn't carry traditional progressions but is "read and react" based on the route concepts and defense
-"He can't diagnose a blitz" - He killed the Ravens when they blitzed, recognizing and making checks at the line
-"He holds the ball too long" - He had the 2nd lowest snap to throw time this week while being near the top of the league in aDOT, which again, kills the narratives of bullet points 1 and 2.

The fact that out of 41 attempts, more time spent discussing 3-5 bad passes should tell anyone how Jameis is "evaluated."

 

[Jesse Custer]

One thing that's always bugged me about the games that Taysom started at QB: they never really had him do many designed rollouts. Not as often as they should've with his mobility. Same with Jameis. He's historically one of the greats outside the pocket. It's like no matter the coaching staff, they have no idea how to play to the strengths of any QB not named Drew Brees.

I know, I know, the W-L record says different. It's just one of my weird hangups.

 

[BBarnes]

So thats 6 dropped picks? Cause he had 3 in the second half. I missed the first half.

lol and I missed the 2H. Wow. Didn’t realize that.

 

[BBarnes]

I've said this years ago and it still hold true. A lot of analysis is not necessarily based on the "what" but on the "who." And based off the "who" is how we analyze the "what."

The crazy thing is this game dispelled everything that folks on this board try to

-"Can't read pre-snap." - Their offense is based on determining where to go with the ball pre-snap
-"Can process" - Although this has been debunked plenty of times, the offense doesn't carry traditional progressions but is "read and react" based on the route concepts and defense
-"He can't diagnose a blitz" - He killed the Ravens when they blitzed, recognizing and making checks at the line
-"He holds the ball too long" - He had the 2nd lowest snap to throw time this week while being near the top of the league in aDOT, which again, kills the narratives of bullet points 1 and 2.

The fact that out of 41 attempts, more time spent discussing 3-5 bad passes should tell anyone how Jameis is "evaluated."

Jameis is who is he is and the smartest evaluators on the planet in this game agree, obviously.

Solid backup. That’s what he is. A journeyman backup at this juncture and there’s nothing wrong with that. He will make a lot of money, or continue to make a lot of money doing that. He’s the best number 3 in the league for sure, which I didn’t understand him being the 3 there.

 

[Deuuuuce]

Whoever roots for Cleveland when they play the Saints because of Winston should have to turn in their fan card.

 

[jahsoul357]

Jameis is who is he is and the smartest evaluators on the planet in this game agree, obviously.

Solid backup. That’s what he is. A journeyman backup at this juncture and there’s nothing wrong with that. He will make a lot of money, or continue to make a lot of money doing that. He’s the best number 3 in the league for sure, which I didn’t understand him being the 3 there.

What are these evaluators' credentials?



Former 2x MVP and Super Bowl winning QB with a bust in Canton who breaks down film on a daily basis

Evaluators who has probably never played the position, let alone sport.

 

[Deuuuuce]

What are these evaluators' credentials?



Former 2x MVP and Super Bowl winning QB with a bust in Canton who breaks down film on a daily basis

Evaluators who has probably never played the position, let alone sport.

Even if he’s the 32nd best QB in the league and he’s getting up there in age, is that a situation you really want?

 

[jahsoul357]

Even if he’s the 32nd best QB in the league and he’s getting up there in age, is that a situation you really want?

He is 3 years older than Drew was when he signed here and he gave us 15 years

 

[TribuneUK]

Stans gonna stan.

The evaluators that actually matter work for NFL teams and not a single one of them deemed this player a starter. Cold, hard empirical evidence beats what you want to be true 100% of the time.

 

[Green-Ghost]

I think this fall into the category of armchair quarterback. The real test will be how does he do on the next games?

 

[Deuuuuce]

He is 3 years older than Drew was when he signed here and he gave us 15 years

I know you did not just compare Winston to Drew…My point is, if you settle for the 28 or 32nd ranked QB, it’s a situation you’re trying to get out of. If Carr started performing in the same tier as a guy like Flacco, we would all be rooting to get out of that situation.

 

[jahsoul357]

Stans gonna stan.

The evaluators that actually matter work for NFL teams and not a single one of them deemed this player a starter. Cold, hard empirical evidence beats what you want to be true 100% of the time.

Then he enters the week as a starter and has their best performance of the season. But with that being said, we know that the goal post will get moved to make what actually happens on the field anecdotal.

Again, evaluators that have never played the sport in their life or those that have played and won on at the highest level. Who do you believe holds the most weight?

I know you did not just compare Winston to Drew…My point is, if you settle for the 28 or 32nd ranked QB, it’s a situation you’re trying to get out of. If Carr started performing in the same tier as a guy like Flacco, we would all be rooting to get out of that situation.

Yall get in your feelings quick when anybody say anything about Drew. lol. Who compared him to Drew? I just mentioned that he was 3 years older than Drew when he signed here. Also, I'm not a victim to hindsight. We both (noticing your age) were around then and with the injury that Drew had, nobody expected him to give us the kind of years that he did, let alone 15. Saying you did would be akin to lying...lol

 

[Deuuuuce]

Yall get in your feelings quick when anybody say anything about Drew. lol. Who compared him to Drew? I just mentioned that he was 3 years older than Drew when he signed here. Also, I'm not a victim to hindsight. We both (noticing your age) were around then and with the injury that Drew had, nobody expected him to give us the kind of years that he did, let alone 15. Saying you did would be akin to lying...lol

It sure sounds like you’re comparing Winston’s situation to Drew’s when he got here.

The reason Jameis is not seen by most as capable of leading a team even for 2-3 years is not because of his dropback or how he reads defenses. It’s his 5 or so throws a game that are turnover worthy. It just takes 2 or 3 of those to lose you a game, hence his losing record. The sample size is there.

 

[TribuneUK]

Chris Simms has the same credentials as Kurt, i.e. media credentials. They're just guys with opinions who aren't trusted to make decisions for NFL franchises.

The evaluators who work for NFL teams outweigh a media guy in every single scenario. Not one of them wanted this QB in a league desperately searching for quality at the position. The team that *did* sign him made him their #3 QB.

Cold, hard facts remain undefeated.

 

[weunice]

Winston had ONE year where his TD/INT ratio was near 50/50 and that was the 33TD/30INT year.
Winston has NEVER had a season with more INTs than TDs. There are recent ELITE QBs who can't say this.
Since Tampa Bay he has --- 24 TD and 11 INT -- and yes, I realize he could have thrown a few in the last game.
Winston likely has years left and while nobody here SHOULD be conflating his potential with the elite performers in NFL history, some players get better over the years. Don't be shocked if he has a lot of years left and potentially even as a quality starter in this league.

He is certainly entertaining and I, for one, will miss him when he hangs up the cleats.