Opinion The chance to get a top tier HC has come and gone (34 Viewers)

[JackDiesel]

I sure hope we land Mike. Think he’s the best available at this point.

I think he was the best available after Ben Johnson. And really he might be exactly what we need. Brady/Moore could be legit and 20 year coaches but we're kind of a mess right now and it could take 2-3 years to right the ship. Brady/Moore don't have the skins on the wall to really survive the rough waters. It could be legitimately too much too soon. They probably need to go into a better situation than what we have. Kind of like drafting a franchise QB to the Browns, no matter who they are they won't be successful. McCarthy has the reputation to help us get the ship righted and help bring back our reputation.

 

[IceHot]

Absolutely. My post wasn’t meant as a slight to the city, the team, or anything else. Just how I see it.

No slight taken. Its hard to say exactly where we are relative to where we are going. This next coach might be the one to take us to the promise land or he might just be the coach that starts the rebuilding process over the next few years and then hands off to the coach that takes us home. As a long time fan I am sure you imagine multiple possibilities.

 

[PanicFootball]

When does MikeMc get here? I'm on board for him to take over. If it happens this week, I'll be quite relieved.

LOOMIS- MAKE IT HAPPEN!

 

[jesusfish]

We are missing out on the perceived top candidates, but every one of them, other than McCarthy, is a wildcard. I'd have been ecstatic to get Ben Johnson, but he may end up failing spectacularly. If Anthony Weaver ends up having the best coaching career out of this group, I won't even be surprised. But he's considered a bottom tier candidate.

 

[St. Geezy]

All I’d ask is who’s panicking? Who’s upset? I couldn’t be less concerned that the job may not be viewed as the best opening lol. Truly. It’s just a sports forum about the Saints. To talk about em? That’s all.

Tone of the original post, Saints social media in general.

 

[DSnfla]

It hasn’t been reported.

RUMOR , RUMOR RUMOR. Just STOP

 

[DSnfla]

I never said he was top tier.

The “top tier “ coaches this cycle - Ben Johnson - for example didn’t even consider us.

I’m just saying the DA hire , Carr contract, drafts , FA mistakes etc etc had a long tail.

Ridiculous, Did Johnson turn us down for an interview? NO , the Bears were always his 1st choice. And you say coaches, Who else? SMH

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Tone of the original post, Saints social media in general.

Oh, gotcha. Yeah I get that, I’d say (sadly) social media brings out the worst in folks lol. Only thing I’d argue there is that it isn’t just the Saints.

 

[Rexman100]

We are lucky if we get Mike McCarthy as our coach. Not sure that’s the response you were hoping for. Top Tier? Guess I don’t know what that means if you think top tier coaches are available.

I think people are confusing top tier with promising.
When Sean Payton was available to the Broncos, he was top tier. Mike McCarthy is top tier. Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn are simply promising. How can you be considered the best at something you’ve never done?

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

No slight taken. Its hard to say exactly where we are relative to where we are going. This next coach might be the one to take us to the promise land or he might just be the coach that starts the rebuilding process over the next few years and then hands off to the coach that takes us home. As a long time fan I am sure you imagine multiple possibilities.

I do. I think this next one will be a bridge to hopefully get the cap right and draft right. Then on to our next Payton. I’m hopeful.

RUMOR , RUMOR RUMOR. Just STOP

Max has inside info and has proven it in the past, multiple times.


As far as him wanting out, if he’s not going to retire then I hope he does go elsewhere and I wish him the best. Hope no more head injuries for him.

 

[texasjefe]

McCarthy is already a divisive figure to the fanbase.

If he's hired, many will grant him the honeymoon period and their support, but he will have to be successful quickly, given his experience.

Reason to hire McCarthy (not in any order):

He had past success as Saints OC, which vaulted him into a HC candidate.

Experienced and won a Super Bowl

Would be reasonably expected to develop Rattler or another new guy, and stabilize the QB room.

He will run a two-tight end set, which the Saints have never done and in my opinion is fairly unstoppable having two receiving tight ends in the scheme at the same time.

An offensive coach coaches the QB directly. We will not lose a hot OC with him there. Hire a D coach, and any successful OC will be poached.

Reason not to hire McCarthy:

While I would not expect all Saints fans in the Dallas media market to agree with me, the reason I am not impressed is that he did not, in my opinion, move the needle at all in 5 years in Dallas. He inherited Dak, Zeke, Amari Cooper and CeeDee was brought in. He inherited Zach Martin, Tyron Smith, and others. They had defensive talent and improved it to a stout pressure defense. Of course they won a ton of regular season games, and in a division the Giants and Eagles were pathetic. Come playoff time, herpa derpa three times, and massively outcoached by Shanny twice and LaFleur. Offense and defense failed. Only win was against our division and an 8-9 Bucs team.

He had playcalling controversy with Kellen Moore because, why did Dak not improve?

He's a bore. Not a problem for alot of you, but he's a yes man (opposite of Payton), because when he was more assertive, he alienated Rodgers. He's known for throwing alot of short outs and curls toward the sideline.

He has struggled to produce offensively against 2-deep safety zone coverage. He does not always value a balanced attack, leaning more on short passes from the old West Coach scheme. Did McCarthy demand FA Derrick Henry last year? Does not seem likely. Why not?

Ya'll say Loomis and Gayle will give him whatever he wants, but let's be honest. Loomis assaulted the cap. Not much to give.

Mike took 2019 to by his account freshen up on modern offenses. Made zero difference in Dallas. Hence why I call him outdated.

Is Mike a team-builder? Not alot there in my opinion.

If the Saints hire him:

The running back room must be stocked and not shortchanged by Loomis like it has been forever. Look at Ohio State and having two dynamic runners/pass catchers.

The drafting of non-pro-bowl "JAGS" must end. No more Foskey misses, no more drafting dudes high from University of Texas San Antonio at Northern Iowa. Mike had better show he can commandeer the draft room, because Loomis sucks in the draft room since 2016-17.

Who on SR is all-in on McCarthy? The sunshine pumpers who shake their body parts at those of us who embrace the higher standard Sean Payton gave our team, and have no tolerance to backsliding to J.D. Roberts era Saints.

Ya'll be can be happy if they hire him, but for me, he'll have no slack in his leash because he's such a "great coach - on paper."

 

[SaintStephen1]

We could have gotten a top tier Head Coach when SP left.

Look at where the franchise was then ( a few short years ago ) and look where it is now.

The franchise is meaningfully worse today than when SP left.

The Saints are the worst or 2nd to worst job in the cycle. That’s being proven out daily. Aaron Glenn chose the Jets not the Saints. The Jets are a better job even with their Ownership situation.

The Saints fall has been so sharp and fast it’s shocking. But when you look at the moves that have been since SP left - you just can’t overcome the mistakes it’s been 90%+ misses in every department. Coaching hires , scouting , pro personnel , draft production -

Our best draft pick is Olave who isn’t going to make it and already wants out of New Orleans.

Going all in on Brees’ last couple of years with traded up in draft, contract extensions to vets with cap kicked down the road has led to this. BUT we all knew it was coming. Yes it’s going to take a few more years or more specifically when we get our next franchise QB, which should be the overriding goal of the organization. Until then we can stay connected with the team but really have to ratchet down the expectations or we’ll go crazy.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Define top tier?

Some would say McCarthy, but if he’s top tier why is not interviewing with literally anyone else?

Some say Glenn. Some say Moore. Some say Johnson. Maybe someone out there says Kafka.

Maybe we should define top tier as someone interviewing with 3 or more franchises?

I dunno what top tier means nor how it’s defined in this head coaching discussion.

 

[DSnfla]

Vrabel is another guy that simply cut everyone off once he got an offer from the team he primarily played for. That is virtually always going to happen.

That is fate, destiny, all lining up and the culmination of a player turned coach’s dream scenario. Not you necessarily, but not too many people are fully grasping that. You are essentially angering the football gods by turning down an offer in that scenario.

Let me ask you - is Vrabel top tier over McCarthy? If so, why?

I'm so taking McCarthy over Vrabel. Vrabel lost his only conference championship game he ever coached , and he only got here because Henry went off for 200+yds in the previous 2 games. Vrabel was never my 1st choice.

 

[DSnfla]

Define top tier?

Some would say McCarthy, but if he’s top tier why is not interviewing with literally anyone else?

Some say Glenn. Some say Moore. Some say Johnson. Maybe someone out there says Kafka.

Maybe we should define top tier as someone interviewing with 3 or more franchises?

I dunno what top tier means nor how it’s defined in this head coaching discussion.

I think it's MM. He may have been the target all along but because he was still under contract we couldn't do anything so we scheduled interviews. When he became available we still are going through with the process.

MM probably had an interest in the Bears job, when Johnson took that We became his 1st choice so he's waiting on us. This may have very well been in the works for a while now