Opinion The chance to get a top tier HC has come and gone (1 Viewer)

[Rexman100]

McCarthy is already a divisive figure to the fanbase.

If he's hired, many will grant him the honeymoon period and their support, but he will have to be successful quickly, given his experience.

Reason to hire McCarthy (not in any order):

He had past success as Saints OC, which vaulted him into a HC candidate.

Experienced and won a Super Bowl

Would be reasonably expected to develop Rattler or another new guy, and stabilize the QB room.

He will run a two-tight end set, which the Saints have never done and in my opinion is fairly unstoppable having two receiving tight ends in the scheme at the same time.

An offensive coach coaches the QB directly. We will not lose a hot OC with him there. Hire a D coach, and any successful OC will be poached.

Reason not to hire McCarthy:

While I would not expect all Saints fans in the Dallas media market to agree with me, the reason I am not impressed is that he did not, in my opinion, move the needle at all in 5 years in Dallas. He inherited Dak, Zeke, Amari Cooper and CeeDee was brought in. He inherited Zach Martin, Tyron Smith, and others. They had defensive talent and improved it to a stout pressure defense. Of course they won a ton of regular season games, and in a division the Giants and Eagles were pathetic. Come playoff time, herpa derpa three times, and massively outcoached by Shanny twice and LaFleur. Offense and defense failed. Only win was against our division and an 8-9 Bucs team.

He had playcalling controversy with Kellen Moore because, why did Dak not improve?

He's a bore. Not a problem for alot of you, but he's a yes man (opposite of Payton), because when he was more assertive, he alienated Rodgers. He's known for throwing alot of short outs and curls toward the sideline.

He has struggled to produce offensively against 2-deep safety zone coverage. He does not always value a balanced attack, leaning more on short passes from the old West Coach scheme. Did McCarthy demand FA Derrick Henry last year? Does not seem likely. Why not?

Ya'll say Loomis and Gayle will give him whatever he wants, but let's be honest. Loomis assaulted the cap. Not much to give.

Mike took 2019 to by his account freshen up on modern offenses. Made zero difference in Dallas. Hence why I call him outdated.

Is Mike a team-builder? Not alot there in my opinion.

If the Saints hire him:

The running back room must be stocked and not shortchanged by Loomis like it has been forever. Look at Ohio State and having two dynamic runners/pass catchers.

The drafting of non-pro-bowl "JAGS" must end. No more Foskey misses, no more drafting dudes high from University of Texas San Antonio at Northern Iowa. Mike had better show he can commandeer the draft room, because Loomis sucks in the draft room since 2016-17.

Who on SR is all-in on McCarthy? The sunshine pumpers who shake their body parts at those of us who embrace the higher standard Sean Payton gave our team, and have no tolerance to backsliding to J.D. Roberts era Saints.

Ya'll be can be happy if they hire him, but for me, he'll have no slack in his leash because he's such a "great coach - on paper."

The saints haven’t even seen the playoffs in 4 years. So us complaining about not beating the eventual NFC champ 49ers would be a huge improvement. Dak under Vince Lombardi wasn’t beating SF at their best. A great coach gets you to the playoffs, but you need an elite Qb to advance. Mike and Carr will get us to the playoffs. Where we’ll be one and done. Fools will complain, but the more understanding will know that we’re an elite QB from winning it all. And that can happen at anytime. Some QBs are immediately ready. Some take 3-4 years. Goff and Darnold could’ve been had for peanuts. So there’s hope outside of developing a #1 overall rookie into a franchise Qb.

 

[St. Geezy]

Define top tier?

Some would say McCarthy, but if he’s top tier why is not interviewing with literally anyone else?

Some say Glenn. Some say Moore. Some say Johnson. Maybe someone out there says Kafka.

Maybe we should define top tier as someone interviewing with 3 or more franchises?

I dunno what top tier means nor how it’s defined in this head coaching discussion.

My theory - because word is out on him. Maybe not necessarily that he’s going to New Orleans, but that he’s not taking interviews with the teams with open jobs.

There is no way a guy with his credentials would be getting absolutely no play whatsoever from anyone otherwise IMO.

So much goes on behind the scenes, and there was even an article with sources claiming all the way back in early January that he was angling his way out of Dallas specifically for the New Orleans job.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

We could have gotten a top tier Head Coach when SP left.

Look at where the franchise was then ( a few short years ago ) and look where it is now.

The franchise is meaningfully worse today than when SP left.

The Saints are the worst or 2nd to worst job in the cycle. That’s being proven out daily. Aaron Glenn chose the Jets not the Saints. The Jets are a better job even with their Ownership situation.

The Saints fall has been so sharp and fast it’s shocking. But when you look at the moves that have been since SP left - you just can’t overcome the mistakes it’s been 90%+ misses in every department. Coaching hires , scouting , pro personnel , draft production -

Our best draft pick is Olave who isn’t going to make it and already wants out of New Orleans.

lol

Ok, Chicken Little.

 

[DerrickB]

We could have gotten a top tier Head Coach when SP left.

Look at where the franchise was then ( a few short years ago ) and look where it is now.

The franchise is meaningfully worse today than when SP left.

The Saints are the worst or 2nd to worst job in the cycle. That’s being proven out daily. Aaron Glenn chose the Jets not the Saints. The Jets are a better job even with their Ownership situation.

The Saints fall has been so sharp and fast it’s shocking. But when you look at the moves that have been since SP left - you just can’t overcome the mistakes it’s been 90%+ misses in every department. Coaching hires , scouting , pro personnel , draft production -

Our best draft pick is Olave who isn’t going to make it and already wants out of New Orleans.

Any truth to this?

 

[Semper]

We could have gotten a top tier Head Coach when SP left.

Look at where the franchise was then ( a few short years ago ) and look where it is now.

The franchise is meaningfully worse today than when SP left.

The Saints are the worst or 2nd to worst job in the cycle. That’s being proven out daily. Aaron Glenn chose the Jets not the Saints. The Jets are a better job even with their Ownership situation.

The Saints fall has been so sharp and fast it’s shocking. But when you look at the moves that have been since SP left - you just can’t overcome the mistakes it’s been 90%+ misses in every department. Coaching hires , scouting , pro personnel , draft production -

Our best draft pick is Olave who isn’t going to make it and already wants out of New Orleans.

Imagine Ricky Jackson had an opportunity to coach and the Saints were one of those teams. Do you see him going anywhere else? Glenn wanted to be a Jet. He has history there. Every year a team from the bottom rises. Next year we hopefully have some starters back, a new coach and a favorable schedule.

 

[Hubig]

The Saints/Glenn hype just seems more of a local media thing to me. Detroit has way more talent on D than the Saints and the best he mustered was 19th ranked in 2023. That offense carries that team, you're just asking the defense to get a few stops per game while the offense cooks teams. Even if you chop up 2024 to injuries, which is very very fair imo.

What Brady has done in Buffalo has been way more impressive. That offense was sputtering hard which caused the OC to get fired after a 5-5 start. Nov 14th of 2023 Brady took over and the offense has looked so much better since. Buffalo sent Diggs packing, a 1183 yard, 8TD WR and still managed to churn out a top 10 in total offense, no. 2 in points, turned Josh Allen into a MVP candidate. Josh Allen has cut his INT's down by over half this year as well, from 14 in '23 to 6 in '24.

 

[saintsmarchin]

The next head coach

 

[DSnfla]

The Saints/Glenn hype just seems more of a local media thing to me. Detroit has way more talent on D than the Saints and the best he mustered was 19th ranked in 2023. That offense carries that team, you're just asking the defense to get a few stops per game while the offense cooks teams. Even if you chop up 2024 to injuries, which is very very fair imo.

What Brady has done in Buffalo has been way more impressive. That offense was sputtering hard which caused the OC to get fired after a 5-5 start. Nov 14th of 2023 Brady took over and the offense has looked so much better since. Buffalo sent Diggs packing, a 1183 yard, 8TD WR and still managed to churn out a top 10 in total offense, no. 2 in points, turned Josh Allen into a MVP candidate. Josh Allen has cut his INT's down by over half this year as well, from 14 in '23 to 6 in '24.

I disagree, the yr before Dorsey had them #4 in offense scoring 28.4 a game and they went 13-3. They were 5-5 in 23 scoring 26.4 pts a game. After Dorsey was fired they scored 27 pts a game hardly any difference
Brady took an already elite QB a top 4 QB and just made him run the ball more . His Ints are down because he's had the least attempts in his career except for his rookie yr when he only started 11 games.

When you run the ball more and throw the ball less not so many picks

 

[3ParStillDriver]

My theory - because word is out on him. Maybe not necessarily that he’s going to New Orleans, but that he’s not taking interviews with the teams with open jobs.

There is no way a guy with his credentials would be getting absolutely no play whatsoever from anyone otherwise IMO.

So much goes on behind the scenes, and there was even an article with sources claiming all the way back in early January that he was angling his way out of Dallas specifically for the New Orleans job.

I'm not so sure about that. If that's the case, we're not talking about a closely guarded secret. If all the other franchises that need a head coach know it, then it surely would've been leaked by now and there would be articles left and right, like a Jags beat writer reporting the Jags aren't pursuing because he's expected to sign with NO.

But there are no rumors. There is no speculation. Theres no mention as to why these clubs aren't interviewing him or even requesting to interview him and I can't even find articles where journalists ask the question.

Theres more here then what we know of. It may just be as simple as they not wanting him. But It's hard to imagine that there is some league secret that every franchise knows and everyone is staying quiet and journalists just happen to not even be asking the question.

Here's a bleacher report where Dianna Russini discusses it. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...or-mike-mccarthy-after-bears-hire-ben-johnson

"Yeah, I think this would be it for Mike McCarthy," Russini reported when co-host and ex-NFL quarterback Chase Daniel asked if New Orleans would be the "only landing spot" left for the ex-Dallas Cowboys head coach.
"I don't get the sense that the [Jacksonville Jaguars] or [New York Jets] are going to be bringing him in for an interview, so we'll see if this is going to be the right fit and the right opportunity for him and then."

It sounds more like no one is interested.

I still can't shake this feeling that we're going to settle with Rizzi. Even if MM and Joe Brady are available wanting the job.

 

[Rexman100]

I'm not so sure about that. If that's the case, we're not talking about a closely guarded secret. If all the other franchises that need a head coach know it, then it surely would've been leaked by now and there would be articles left and right, like a Jags beat writer reporting the Jags aren't pursuing because he's expected to sign with NO.

But there are no rumors. There is no speculation. Theres no mention as to why these clubs aren't interviewing him or even requesting to interview him and I can't even find articles where journalists ask the question.

Theres more here then what we know of. It may just be as simple as they not wanting him. But It's hard to imagine that there is some league secret that every franchise knows and everyone is staying quiet and journalists just happen to not even be asking the question.

Here's a bleacher report where Dianna Russini discusses it. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...or-mike-mccarthy-after-bears-hire-ben-johnson



It sounds more like no one is interested.

I still can't shake this feeling that we're going to settle with Rizzi. Even if MM and Joe Brady are available wanting the job.

Mike McCarthy isn’t a candidate in NY, is due the Jets’ last coaching hiring cycle where they passed on MM and chose Adam Gase. Dallas went onto the playoffs and the Jets, same old jets. The Jax situation isn’t interesting to Mike becaue of the Gm. But now that he’s fired, maybe things change.

 

[Rouxble]

I'm not so sure about that. If that's the case, we're not talking about a closely guarded secret. If all the other franchises that need a head coach know it, then it surely would've been leaked by now and there would be articles left and right, like a Jags beat writer reporting the Jags aren't pursuing because he's expected to sign with NO.

But there are no rumors. There is no speculation. Theres no mention as to why these clubs aren't interviewing him or even requesting to interview him and I can't even find articles where journalists ask the question.

Theres more here then what we know of. It may just be as simple as they not wanting him. But It's hard to imagine that there is some league secret that every franchise knows and everyone is staying quiet and journalists just happen to not even be asking the question.

Here's a bleacher report where Dianna Russini discusses it. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...or-mike-mccarthy-after-bears-hire-ben-johnson



It sounds more like no one is interested.

I still can't shake this feeling that we're going to settle with Rizzi. Even if MM and Joe Brady are available wanting the job.

The Jags GM has been fired, so that lack of interest may not exist anymore.

 

[cdogg]

I’d say Vrabel was the other top tier.

Look, the job is one of only thirty two in the world, for that reason it’s still a good one imo. Now, having said that it is at the bottom of those thirty two, and folks denying that just can’t take those black and gold glasses off. Nothing wrong with that imo. Fan how ya want.

You have Vrabel ranked higher than McCarthy? Based on what lol.

 

[44slayer]

Weve dodged more HCs than weve missed so far.

There was some inception going on with Glenn. Someone went into the dreams of the folks that matter and planted the idea that Glenn was ready to be a HC. Because, you give me a 4 years DC and their defensive rankings are 32, 29, 20 and 19 - that person is lucky to retain his DC position, not get promoted to HC. He mostly got recognized for the rise of the Lions than actual production. Ben Johnson mightve carried him to a HC job. Johnson also mightve carried Dan Campbell to where he is as well.

Campbell is 8-20 in his coaching career without Johnson. He is 36-15 with him.

So yes, Johnson is a different story. I think we missed out on him. His 3 years as an OC, he ranked top 5 in yards and ppg in all 3.

He is the only one. We just need to dodge Rizzi and we're good. Unless.....

If there is just no one available this year that Loomis is sold on, there is a case for Rizzi. If you dont want your new HC to deal with the mess that is going to be 2025, maybe you let Rizzi have the job. Because he would be an interim turned permanent, his leash is short. You can let him eat the Ls and fire him after 1 year. The cap and roster will be in a better spot and youll likely have a top 5 pick to hand over to a new HC in 2026.

 

[los226]

I would consider Mike McCarthy a top tier candidate. An uninspiring one, but he’s a proven winner with the right talent. I’m not sure the Saints have the talent for him to win 12 games like he did in Dallas for three years straight. Specifically on defense and the right guy running the show (Dan Quinn)

 

[St4ever]

Totally agree, and if you don’t, go to the jets nation forum and get their vibe. 90% say that about AG, that they would’ve been conflicted if he was applying for the Dc job much less for head coach. They’re at the point, “at least he wants to come here, I guess let’s hire him”. AG wisely leaked that blurb about wanting to be a jet. Otherwise he might not have had a market. Big Mike is a Sean Payton duplicate except physically. But he’s actually better, he won more conference championship game and has a higher win %. We’ll be totally lucky if Mike takes the job.

CSP has been catching up to big Mike physically though!