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Zztop said:
Starting to wonder if he is bipolar
arstechnica.com

Elon Musk laid off the Tesla Supercharger team; now he’s rehiring them

Last week the CEO said Tesla will spend $500 million expanding the charger network.
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Or just incredibly stupid.

I had read he had some agreements with other car mfg to use Tesla Supercharger network and that his firing of entire Supercharger division was a big problem.

So I imagine someone got in his ear about the legalities involved and he awoke today refreshed and ready to continue his quest.


Or he could just be bipolar lol
 
On an EV note. Sister drives a Kia E4 dual motor.

They drove from Denver to North of Cheyenne for the Northern Lights Sat night.

Said she was doing 115 mph and didn't even realize because she was in dual motor mode. Lol.

But her main complaint is charging stations. She said it's maddening right now. Says each mfg had own proprietary plug so she can't charge at Rivian or Lucid. Says the charging stations that are universal usually 2 won't even work. The one she used in Cheyenne that evening was to be 120kw/hr but the screen said it was charging at only 30kw/hr. Said you can contact them to "reboot" station and most of time that works for 5 min then back down or it stops working altogether.

Gotta get the infrastructure right to make this thing (more EVs on road) work.

I'd love to have, but I don't think I want the headache of having to find a station and hope they have a working charger. And Louisiana isn't blazing any trails in that regard.
 
efil4stnias said:
On an EV note. Sister drives a Kia E4 dual motor.

They drove from Denver to North of Cheyenne for the Northern Lights Sat night.

Said she was doing 115 mph and didn't even realize because she was in dual motor mode. Lol.

But her main complaint is charging stations. She said it's maddening right now. Says each mfg had own proprietary plug so she can't charge at Rivian or Lucid. Says the charging stations that are universal usually 2 won't even work. The one she used in Cheyenne that evening was to be 120kw/hr but the screen said it was charging at only 30kw/hr. Said you can contact them to "reboot" station and most of time that works for 5 min then back down or it stops working altogether.

Gotta get the infrastructure right to make this thing (more EVs on road) work.

I'd love to have, but I don't think I want the headache of having to find a station and hope they have a working charger. And Louisiana isn't blazing any trails in that regard.
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Even here in California it can be a headache. And we currently have 25% of the nation's charging network. I've been looking forward to the Tesla Supercharger being made available to my KIA EV6 by the end of this year, but the current chaos at Tesla is not encouraging.
 
The EV market share for new vehicle sales in February 2024 was approximately 6.5%, compared to 83.1% for gas-powered vehicles, according to Edmunds sales data. If we look at things from a broader perspective, electric cars account for 1% of all registered vehicles on the road in the U.S., according to Experian Automotive's Market Trends third quarter 2023 report.

www.edmunds.com

What Is the Percentage of Electric Cars in the U.S.? | Edmunds

More than 1 million EVs were sold for the first time last year, but what percentage of all vehicles do they make up on U.S. roads today?
www.edmunds.com

My humble opinion on this is simple... A very large portion of the buying public does not want to buy an EV... And a very large portion of the small portion that does want to to buy one, can't afford them... or they are not practical / cost effective for daily use... and hence are not a realistic option.

I have never seen in my life so many viable profit based companies try to produce and sell the US public something with so little demand for it, at such a premium price, and with little to no infrastructure to support it...

I think there is a market for EV's.... but the market is not your mainstream everyday middle class US driver.... and that's why it will tank until some tech breakthrough makes them cheaper, much faster to charge, and provide practical and plentiful ways to extend range. Until then, they will continue to be a 5 -10% US market novelty.
 
Yatman said:
gonna take awhile to cover the country with charging stations if gubmint is involved

Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years
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Seems that there are two significant challenges: (1) the program requires chargers to be much more reliable and capable than what is available for ready deployment now - in other words, this isn't an off-the-shelf kind of acquisition, and (2) like most federal transportation efforts, it runs through the states.
 
Infoman said:
The EV market share for new vehicle sales in February 2024 was approximately 6.5%, compared to 83.1% for gas-powered vehicles, according to Edmunds sales data. If we look at things from a broader perspective, electric cars account for 1% of all registered vehicles on the road in the U.S., according to Experian Automotive's Market Trends third quarter 2023 report.

www.edmunds.com

What Is the Percentage of Electric Cars in the U.S.? | Edmunds

More than 1 million EVs were sold for the first time last year, but what percentage of all vehicles do they make up on U.S. roads today?
www.edmunds.com

My humble opinion on this is simple... A very large portion of the buying public does not want to buy an EV... And a very large portion of the small portion that does want to to buy one, can't afford them... or they are not practical / cost effective for daily use... and hence are not a realistic option.

I have never seen in my life so many viable profit based companies try to produce and sell the US public something with so little demand for it, at such a premium price, and with little to no infrastructure to support it...

I think there is a market for EV's.... but the market is not your mainstream everyday middle class US driver.... and that's why it will tank until some tech breakthrough makes them cheaper, much faster to charge, and with practical and plentiful ways to extend range. Until then, they will continue to be a 5 -10% US market novelty.
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it can be. Unfortunately that takes planning.

When it comes to the auto, rolling out a new EV but with no infrastructure in place is like, i dont know, maybe like a parish government approving 10s of 1000s of permits for builds, then realizing the existing roadways/drainage infrastruture isnt suited for that amount of vehicle traffic/population growth.

lol
 
Infoman said:
The EV market share for new vehicle sales in February 2024 was approximately 6.5%, compared to 83.1% for gas-powered vehicles, according to Edmunds sales data. If we look at things from a broader perspective, electric cars account for 1% of all registered vehicles on the road in the U.S., according to Experian Automotive's Market Trends third quarter 2023 report.

www.edmunds.com

What Is the Percentage of Electric Cars in the U.S.? | Edmunds

More than 1 million EVs were sold for the first time last year, but what percentage of all vehicles do they make up on U.S. roads today?
www.edmunds.com

My humble opinion on this is simple... A very large portion of the buying public does not want to buy an EV... And a very large portion of the small portion that does want to to buy one, can't afford them... or they are not practical / cost effective for daily use... and hence are not a realistic option.

I have never seen in my life so many viable profit based companies try to produce and sell the US public something with so little demand for it, at such a premium price, and with little to no infrastructure to support it...

I think there is a market for EV's.... but the market is not your mainstream everyday middle class US driver.... and that's why it will tank until some tech breakthrough makes them cheaper, much faster to charge, and provide practical and plentiful ways to extend range. Until then, they will continue to be a 5 -10% US market novelty.
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I think this line of thinking has surrendered the US auto industry to China in a way that our children will learn about it the same way they learned about the assembly line. What a massive failure we have been.
 
superchuck500 said:
Seems that there are two significant challenges: (1) the program requires chargers to be much more reliable and capable than what is available for ready deployment now - in other words, this isn't an off-the-shelf kind of acquisition, and (2) like most federal transportation efforts, it runs through the states.
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Yes, that is also what I've read. I found an older (non-pay-walled)article
"States and the charger industry blame the delays mostly on the labyrinth of new contracting and performance requirements they have to navigate to receive federal funds. While federal officials have authorized more than $2 billion of the funds to be sent to states, fewer than half of states have even started to take bids from contractors to build the chargers — let alone begin construction."

and

"The bulk of the infrastructure law funds, $5 billion, are dedicated to building fast chargers along interstate highways under the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure program. The program requires the chargers meet a strict set of standards, such as being built at least every 50 miles over major routes, being operational at least 97 percent of the time and featuring credit card readers for easy payment."
 
bclemms said:
I think this line of thinking has surrendered the US auto industry to China in a way that our children will learn about it the same way they learned about the assembly line. What a massive failure we have been.
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we tend to want things to work immediately, without fail, out the box.

Innovation has happened so fast just in last 20 years, that the expectation, especially with "technology" is that if it doesnt work, patch the code, issue update and boom, up and running.
 

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