The idea was floated of (Changes in the cap system) (1 Viewer)

[Trey W.]

That's not how things work in the real world.

So if a player is doing his own thing and missing plays why would you leave them in there? I understand you always want your best player on the field but if your best player isn’t making plays then he’s not your best player and should be replaced.

 

[Loose Cannon]

So if a player is doing his own thing and missing plays why would you leave them in there? I understand you always want your best player on the field but if your best player isn’t making plays then he’s not your best player and should be replaced.

Literally every single player would be doing that. The guy you replace him with would do the same thing.

I'm not sure that this can be any more cut and dry. I can't explain to you how the dynamics of an employer/employee relationship work if you don't already understand it. Right now, players are financially rewarded for doing things that align with team success. If you change that to players being rewarded for doing things that align with individual success (often at the expense of team success), the quality of play on the field would fall apart completely.

This is truly one of the worst ideas I've ever seen on this board.

 

[Floridalsusaintsfan]

Then big-market teams could out-spend other teams, by paying $60M for their quarterback...

The concept of large market teams is very diminished now. The Saints, a small market team, consistently sells out their home games. They have the highest tv ratings of any home team that plays. They have an international following. Their tv ratings are always high.
Green Bay is another small market team that soes well.

 

[Trey W.]

Right now, players are financially rewarded for doing things that align with team success.

Other than playoff bonus’s and such, I’ve never heard of a player making more because the team won! Players are paid based off of their past performance which is why players always seem to play their best in contract years and bump that next contract price up. Never seen it written in a players contract where if the TEAM wins X amount of games they get Y amount which means their money is not tied to the Team success. Where as a lot of players contracts do have incentive based bonuses like 1,000 yards, so many TD’s, so many sacks, workout bonuses, etc. So it must not be “the dumbest idea ever” since it’s already instituted just not to a bigger scale.

 

[dutar76]

A couple of good ideas posted above. Something has to give with the crazy contracts being signed. I’m really interested in seeing how much Mahomes will get.

 

[onanygivensunday]

It's a terrible idea because Belicheat and the Saigon Massage old fart would quickly figure out a way to cheat the system (i.e., the rest of the league).

 

[dutar76]

It's a terrible idea because Belicheat and the Saigon Massage old fart would quickly figure out a way to cheat the system (i.e., the rest of the league).

Like if the owner funneled money in to a company that a player owned and that player played for less than his actual NFL value and the NFL said it was not: "providing the player with "additional value" outside his contract, which is not allowed under the collective bargaining agreement." ??? something like that?

 

[jasonsw]

I have a better idea. Every team can declare a player out of the cap for 5 years. It can be any position.

Teams with young quarterbacks can nominate a defensive end, receiver, etc.

The thing is, if a player is released, retired, injured, etc, the team would not be able to declare another player until the 5 year period ends.

That's a great utopia idea. To be honest I wish the NFL would dump the Salary Cap. NFL teams make money hand over fist and print it. Parity reason for salary cap spare me. Look at baseball. Teams that spend the most in that sport don't necessarily win the most.

 

[SammyIsGod]

Not sure if they still do it now, but when Major League Soccer was trying to grow and compete with the other big soccer leagues around the world, they had a rule where every team was allowed to sign one international player (a star) and that guy would not count against their salary cap. Biggest example was David Beckham going to the L.A. Galaxy for a few years. Maybe in the NFL every team could designate a "doesn't count against the cap this year" player, and then the next year they'd have to reevaluate and decide if that guy should remain the guy, or do they "tag" someone else for that designation, and figure out how to get back under the cap somehow? Just brainstorming

 

[Merl]

Not sure if they still do it now, but when Major League Soccer was trying to grow and compete with the other big soccer leagues around the world, they had a rule where every team was allowed to sign one international player (a star) and that guy would not count against their salary cap. Biggest example was David Beckham going to the L.A. Galaxy for a few years. Maybe in the NFL every team could designate a "doesn't count against the cap this year" player, and then the next year they'd have to reevaluate and decide if that guy should remain the guy, or do they "tag" someone else for that designation, and figure out how to get back under the cap somehow? Just brainstorming

Not gonna happen. Another "soft" cap idea that the owners will reject instantly. If a cash payment to a player or his agent isn't accounted for under the cap then it won't be approved by the owners.

 

[Ihaveaclearance]

A couple of good ideas posted above. Something has to give with the crazy contracts being signed. I’m really interested in seeing how much Mahomes will get.

The chiefs. He will get the chiefs. All and everything they own.???

 

[Seahawkfan80]

Other than playoff bonus’s and such, I’ve never heard of a player making more because the team won! Players are paid based off of their past performance which is why players always seem to play their best in contract years and bump that next contract price up. Never seen it written in a players contract where if the TEAM wins X amount of games they get Y amount which means their money is not tied to the Team success. Where as a lot of players contracts do have incentive based bonuses like 1,000 yards, so many TD’s, so many sacks, workout bonuses, etc. So it must not be “the dumbest idea ever” since it’s already instituted just not to a bigger scale.

With the exception of the prove it deals....like Shermans. Seems like all players would be on prove it deals and that may take away from the TEAM concept. I do understand about the 4 or 5 or 3 year contracts...but they would still be playing Fantasy Football For Me every season.

 

[SunshinePumper]

QB salaries are getting ridiculous. In the next 5 years they are going to be very near $50 million and that is just stupid money.

If I were a coach and or GM I would look very seriously at a Trent Dilfer model. Build up a superior QB killer defense and run the offense through a QB that will not lose you a game. Spread that high QB salary savings to OL and WR.

Let the rest of the league chase the high salary QB craze.

That's what won the 49ers the Super Bowl... in a universe where NFL games are three periods long like hockey games, that is.

 

[Snakehead]

QB salaries are getting ridiculous. In the next 5 years they are going to be very near $50 million and that is just stupid money.

If I were a coach and or GM I would look very seriously at a Trent Dilfer model. Build up a superior QB killer defense and run the offense through a QB that will not lose you a game. Spread that high QB salary savings to OL and WR.

Let the rest of the league chase the high salary QB craze.

With SP as a QB whisperer and how the current roster is constructed the Saints could do exactly this. Watson will set the market and then Mahomes will shatter whatever Watson signs for. I wouldn't want a QB in a bidding war for that QB market price.

 

[Snakehead]

Like if the owner funneled money in to a company that a player owned and that player played for less than his actual NFL value and the NFL said it was not: "providing the player with "additional value" outside his contract, which is not allowed under the collective bargaining agreement." ??? something like that?

And Shady Brady still gets praised for taking "less" money.