The Playmaker Michael Irvin Pulled from All Super Bowl Coverage/NFL Network (09/14 EDIT: Irvin settles his defamation suit w/hotel, returns to NFLN) (1 Viewer)

[First Time Poster]

Intent vs impact is something that, we as men, need to start making ourselves more comfortable with. Our intent may not be to come across as creepy, or boorish or even inappropriate but the impact our actions have on women in our society needs to be acknowledged and respected.

That isn't commentary or opinion on the Irvin case. To me, the video seems to strongly indicate nothing ontoward, assault wise, happened and I certainly understand the lawsuit. However, broadly, the women in our society are telling us that some actions, that previously, were accepted make them uncomfortable and we should all do our best to respect that.

And, yes, that may involve some overreach in the other direction and some innocent actions may get caught in that net. But after years, decades and centuries of having to be subjected to societal inequity and mistreatment, the least that we can do, as men, is be understanding and attempt to conform to "new normals." And that certainly could mean curtailing doing things we did in the past, like hitting on women in public spaces. Discernment is key.

 

[Mike Evans is a Nice Guy]

I have a funny story for you. I was in the French Quarter some years ago, wearing my Brady Jersey with "THANK YOU JARED COOK" written on the front, when I spotted a table full of young ladies in Remoulade. My plan was to pass them and look back to check them out. When I passed them and looked back, all of them were glaring at me. The ones with their backs to me even turned around. I quickly turned my head and started adjusting my...swashbuckler. I was like, maybe something was out of place or something weird (it could have been my eye patch), because what about me made that whole table turn around and start chasing me? I don't do sneak peeks (or fire my cannon) in public anymore after that.

 

[St. Geezy]

Ok dude, after these many examples, you're definitely leaving out some objective facts. Either you're far above your claimed "average" looks wise, or wearing items that scream "rich guy", or packing other very obvious endowment. I get the whole pheromone thing but something is off with your story.

I’ve been in this boat before. It’s a fun game.

Women look just as much as men; they’re just more slick and subtle with it.

 

[CowtownSaint]

Oh, I'm sorry. Shouldn't I have done that?

Okay, I'm injecting humor into this but this is obviously something that bothers your wife and you, too. I can't speak to this because I don't think I do things like this, at least not since I was about 16 or so crushing on some dude at the mall. I don't personally know anyone who does this kind of thing, but there's probably a reason for that. I don't like female "mashers" anymore than I like male mashers.

“MadMasher?

 

[Madmarsha]

or packing other very obvious endowment.

I was starting to think John Holmes territory.

 

[CowtownSaint]

Okay, at this point I feel like I speak for the board when I say that we officially need pictures of mikedre. It seems like we might have a dime piece in our midst. Just driving the ladies wild and forcing them to oggle him everywhere he goes!

Let us see what you're working with and maybe we could give you some tips

“let’s see what your working with”

 

[Hoodoo]

I don't want us to get all up in the weeds over this. I love talking to strangers. I love if a man has indicated he thinks I'm attractive. But there are clearly women who would find that at the least not complimentary and unwelcome; at the most, aggressive I guess.

I had a man once tell me a couple years ago in a social setting and also in front of his wife: "I admire you." I guess I looked confused and he explained: "I just think you are a very attractive woman". I smiled and said, "Oh, thank you very much." Took it at face value that that's all he meant, no more, no less. Since his wife didn't seem alarmed, I'm guessing he's done that sort of thing before. I hate to think as people we can't just say nice things to other people.

Had a coworkers wife tell me, in front of him and my wife at a Christmas party that she wished her husband was built like me. It was very awkward and uncomfortable to say the least. They're no longer married.

 

[HoustonSaint68]

I’ve been in this boat before. It’s a fun game.

Women look just as much as men; they’re just more slick and subtle with it.

My question isn't "whether", it's "why".

 

[HoustonSaint68]

I was starting to think John Holmes territory.

Yeah, I accept that there are a lot of size queens out there but, if it's an ongoing issue, that particular cause would have to be in that territory absent the presence of a Speedo.

My money is on him actually being a 10+ and not admitting it.

 

[49erKiller]

I was starting to think John Holmes territory.

or Ron Jeremy...?

 

[LAhotsauce]

Asking for her number, is considered "holla" ing?

But you probably shouldn't even be asking women for their number while they are at work like the woman Irvin was interacting with was.

From my understanding, the encounter in the lobby was their 2nd interaction. After they spoke the first time, this women left the bar where she worked to go talk to Michael again in the lobby. Which is why her boss was angry. So while at work, she seeked him out to talk again. You know women do that as much as men right?

Obviously if you are offering to by a drink, you'd be somewhere were drinks are being served and flirting would be expected.

I don't think men should make habit of trying to get women's numbers just out and about, especially if the woman is at work. Women shouldn't be put in the position of having to turn down advances when they are just trying to go about their day.

This conversation doesn't have anything to do with Michael Irvin.

Here you are again putting the onus on men, when women "holla" at men while at work just the same in their own way. You are all over this thread acting like women are weak innocent creatures that need to be protected from all these circling male vultures. Have you ever had a woman hit on you while at work? Or anywhere at all?

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[St. Geezy]

My question isn't "whether", it's "why".

I think culturally, women being aggressors sometimes carries a stigma. It's frowned upon by society, sadly.

That's one factor; the other is that they're programmed (either naturally or through cultural norms) to be attracted to confidence and to be pursued, so to speak.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

From my understanding, the encounter in the lobby was their 2nd interaction. After they spoke the first time, this women left the bar where she worked to go talk to Michael again in the lobby. Which is why her boss was angry. So while at work, she seeked him out to talk again. You know women do that as much as men right?



Here you are again putting the onus on men, when women "holla" at men while at work just the same in their own way. You are all over this thread acting like women are weak innocent creatures that need to be protected from all these circling male vultures. Have you ever had a woman hit on you while at work? Or anywhere at all?

You are correct, i am putting the onus on men. It's not the same when women do it. Sorry, life isn't fair.

 

[Blackcricket]

Was she even supposed to be talking to him? There's a manager like person to the left looking at her and then claps his hands. Why didn't she just run over to him? There's a security guy circling around why doesn't she just shimmy over to him or something. This is employees violating a policy and covering their butts. The escalation they couldn't control.