Time to end this circus: Saints have wasted 3 years of our time (merged) (6 Viewers)

[Pkessling]

What was the alternative, Trey?

Retain Jameis - eventually he’s going to want starter money - he was an awful fit for Pete Carmichael’s system and would have been worse in Klint Kubiak’s. So the team would have a large investment in a 2x bad fit for the team and system. Lots of you float him as The Answer but that also assumes he’d have kept signing 2yr, $8m deals forever. He would have gotten Derek Carr’s money in 2023 if he was the plan at QB1.

Draft one - the Saints drafted 28th in 2021, year 1 post-Brees. The closest QB picked was Mac Jones. The next QBs picked were Kyle Trask, Kellen Mond, and Davis Mills - and then the Saints took Ian Book, which didn’t work. No subsequent QB is worth mentioning.
2022 - Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, Malik Willis, Matt Corral, Bailey Zappe, Sam Howell, Chris Oladokun, Skyler Thompson, Brock Purdy. The best non-Jameis QB in free agency available was Mitchell Trubisky.
2023 - (Bryce/Stroud/AR5 all went top 5, then) Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Jake Haener, Stetson Bennett, DTR, Clayton Tune, Aidan O’Connell, Sean Clifford, Jaren Hall, Tanner McKee, Max Duggan. Non-DC4 free agents available: Geno Smith, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissett.
2024, assuming the Saints don’t sign Carr: (six QBs off the board prior to the Saints’ pick, then) Spencer Rattler, Jordan Travis, Joe Milton, Devin Leary, Michael Pratt, with free agents Kirk Cousins, Brett Rypien, Tyler Huntley, Nate Sudfeld, Joe Flacco, Gardner Minshew, Sam Darnold, Drew Lock, Brandon Allen, Mason Rudolph, Marcus Mariota.

Needing a quarterback is hard. Needing a quarterback with these options being the candidates will not guarantee greatness. I’d say maybe two of these guys would have the Saints about as good as it’s been under Carr.

Drafting a QB is a total crapshoot. Brady and Brees were two of the best QBs in the history of the NFL. Neither one was a 1st round draft picks. Jeff George was one of the most physically gifted QBs in football history, how did his career work out?
Just watched Sanders against BYU, just don’t see a future top NFL QB.

 

[DSnfla]

Yeah… the entire time CSP was HC, all we heard was that Loomis was a money and salary cap guy and CSP handled players and player selection (CSP alluded to that too, multiple times)

Then CSP left… and it seems the “bean counter” with no football background is now picking players! …it’s no coincidence we suck.


It HAS to change

But it didn't change much after SP left. ML is still not picking players. It's done by consensus of the HC and the scouting dept. It's only when they can't agree ML makes the final decision and my bet is he sides with the HC most of the time

 

[Yingers]

It is time for a top to bottom housecleaning. Rizzi is a nice guy and a solid special teams coach. He is not HC material. (unless the master plan is to field a bad team while clearing the cap for a real HC hire in a few years). All coordinators and position coaches must go. We have overpaid for washed up players and are paying the price for this now. We have a handful of young players on each side of the ball worth keeping but there is not a single all pro difference maker on this roster that another team would trade a 1st round pick+ to acquire - including the pile of injured players and those on IR.

Anyone involved in strength and condition program needs to be fired on day 1 of the new regime.

But this biggest change that must be made before any progress can be made is getting rid of Mickey Loomis. He and Payton caught lightning in a bottle with Drew Brees. Brees is to Payton/Loomis as Brady was to Bellicheck. Neither coach/GM has done squat minus the first ballot HOF QB. Neither could obtain and developed a competent replacement QB. Loomis understandably kicked the can down the road on the cap when Brees was in the building. But once that ship sailed Loomis kept chopping wood, whiffed on multiple drafts, let good young players walk and traded away draft picks to move up for overrated prospects who were a terrible reach. It is hardly surprising that we are where we are. For Loomis to smack his gum last offseason, compare DA to Chuck Knoll and Bill Bellicheck and tell the fans we did not know what we were talking about - that DA was a great coach - says a lot about his lack of competence as a GM. The fact that he was reluctant to let DA go in season makes clear that he is the one who must go.

Time to burn it down and start over. Even with a great coaching hire (which Loomis is not qualified to make) it will take the Saints 3 years to turn over this terrible roster and get rid of the dead money dragging this team down.

Amen…

 

[bigdaddysaints]

i still blame SP for tucking tail and running when the going got tough .
when the going gets tough the tough tuck tail and run apparently.. I'll always be grateful for what he did here, but I'll also always be sour at the way he quit on us .

 

[sfidc3]

i still blame SP for tucking tail and running when the going got tough .
when the going gets tough the tough tuck tail and run apparently.. I'll always be grateful for what he did here, but I'll also always be sour at the way he quit on us .

OMG, this BS again…..he was here 16 years, that rarely happens….

Sorry, I really can’t understand this POV, it seems childish to me

 

[44slayer]

i still blame SP for tucking tail and running when the going got tough .
when the going gets tough the tough tuck tail and run apparently.. I'll always be grateful for what he did here, but I'll also always be sour at the way he quit on us .

It’s time to move on. I get feeling that 3 years ago, but we are now a full head coach cycle away from it. Time to turn that page.

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

Refusing to re-tool and plan properly while Drew and Sean were still here hurt them.

I can see where that is the core of what caused the weird decisions but at the time I was all for it because we had Sean and Drew. I thought if we had those two, we could still get it done and we could have even after Drew slowed down. The problem is once Drew and Sean were both gone (at a minimum when Drew retired the rebuild should have started) they still stayed with the same strategy thinking Allen could carry the torch, well they we really wrong but still didn't back off, they actually tried for D.Watson and thankfully but sadly we needed Cleveland to save us from ourselves.

Now, we sit here in December getting ready to watch a game that we would never watch but we do suffer and watch it because we are Saints fans.

 

[OldTimeGamer1966]

i still blame SP for tucking tail and running when the going got tough .
when the going gets tough the tough tuck tail and run apparently.. I'll always be grateful for what he did here, but I'll also always be sour at the way he quit on us .

Until I know the whole situation, I won't blame anybody for anything except Mickey the Gas lighter Loomis because he came right and said results don't matter and made it known what direction he is fine heading in, if Gayle hadn't fired Dennis he would still be here.
Sean had his reasons and if were to guess it is more than just tucking tail and running away.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

It’s time to move on. I get feeling that 3 years ago, but we are now a full head coach cycle away from it. Time to turn that page.

as long as the discussion goes towards what SP is doing in Denver, the point is relevant.

 

[MarylandWHODAT]

Hopeless - adjective​

hope·less ˈhō-pləs

Synonyms of hopeless

a

: having no expectation of good or success : despairing

felt hopeless and alone

b

: not susceptible to remedy or cure

doctors say his condition is hopeless

c

: incapable of redemption or improvement

She's a hopeless romantic.

the most hopeless group of golfers you've ever seen



This is the status of the New Orleans Saints. Hopeless…..

5-12 season (and quite honestly should be 4-13 if it were not for the blocked field goal against the hapless Giants)
Salary cap hell with no relief in sight.
It is THE least desirable head coaching job in the NFL. Yes, it is an NFL head coaching job but what coach worth anything would want to come to this dumpster fire of an organization?
A GM who is still living in the past with the “Sean Payton” culture and who wants to try capture that lightning again. He can’t.
An old and aging roster.
Virtually every single position on the roster needs addressed and depth.
The can is no longer able to be kicked down the road.

We can fool ourselves and talk ourselves into this organization “just making the right moves” and “if we get this player” or “if we get this coach” and so on but the bottom line is the New Orleans Saints are terrible and will be for what I believe to be, the next three to five years. Last year, we all drank the proverbial Kool Aid when the Saints won in December of 2023. Now, they beat some bad teams but they won. And we are all about winning the South. A new OC will cure all our ills. Blah, blah, blah…….

I get the injury bug but this team is just flat out BAD. Rattler is a decent back up or third string NFL QB but not a starter.

This may be the shock of the Saints making the Raiders look like world beaters or just the reality of it all settling in but the Saints just have a very, very bleak future.

Change my mind……

 

[SweetT]

 

[AARPSaint]

The only thing that could be wrong is that nobody would want the HC job. There are ambitious people out there who believe they can overcome any challenge. That’s probably what’s needed, a borderline egomaniac but one with brains and insight (vis a vis Mike Ditka). I doubt that there’s a bigger challenge in the NFL than the Saints from a head coaching standpoint, for all the reasons you mentioned.

 

[Super]

As someone who can remember hopeless. I don’t think we’re there yet

 

[Swampy Saint]

The only thing that could be wrong is that nobody would want the HC job. There are ambitious people out there who believe they can overcome any challenge. That’s probably what’s needed, a borderline egomaniac but one with brains and insight (vis a vis Mike Ditka). I doubt that there’s a bigger challenge in the NFL than the Saints from a head coaching standpoint, for all the reasons you mentioned.

Not to mention that the time has come to pay for kicking the can down the road for the last decade.

Tampa did it a couple of years ago.

We can too.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

I think you should just surrender to despair.