Triplett says Saints Interest in Chris "Beanie" Wells is "Bona Fide"

[GoldRush26]

out of all the runningbacks in the NFL:
Pierre Thomas is ranked 11th in dyar, 4th in dvoa, and 1st in success rate



http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

If that's enough for you fine. I'm not convinced that he's the man to get the job done, and Payton likely isn't convinced either, if he's ready to draft another RB. None of that DYAR and DVOA means a whole lot to me. Him running wild over the Raiders doesn't mean a whole lot to me. His performance against the Redskins means more, when we need a 1st down and couldn't get it.

 

[mister pc]

His performance against the Redskins means more, when we need a 1st down and couldn't get it.

how about Brandon Jacobs getting stuffed when the Giants needed 1 yard in the playoffs? Stuff happens. in my opinion, short yardage falls more on the shoulders of the offensive line than the running back. if the O-line gets a solid push, even the QB can fall forward for one yard. last season even a powerful guy like Mike Karney was getting stuffed at the line on third and short because there was not enough push up front.

 

[GoldRush26]

I like Sean Smith, Conner Barwin, Alex Mack, and Larry English over Wells. Many mocks have these guys in the 20's but I really don't see how they are any more of a "reach" than Beanie.

If the Saints drafted Sean Smith at 14 I would be fine with it.

By the way, I don't hate Beanie Wells. I just think that it isn't smart to draft a runningback in the first round unless he is a bona fide star (Adrian Peterson, Barry Sanders, etc.) The "legends" come around rarely, but you can still get great running backs in later rounds. It is the most instinctive position in the game and there are plenty of talented players at the position compared to the other spots on the team.

The roided up USC backers may change things for us. But I could still see Payton and Greg Williams drafting Clay Matthews. The chances are less likely now, sure, but you never know.

That's fine if you like those players, but if Payton and the FO staff don't like them, then it's irrelevant. I haven't heard anything from truck man or realchrism about Smith, Barwin, Mack, or English. I don't think the Saints see them as viable targets at #14. If somehow we're able to strike a deal and trade down (without getting hosed) then that's another story.

There was already only a slim chance that we were picking a LB with our pick. The possible steroid allegations effectively eliminated them as possibliities, or at least that's my opinion.

 

[earl_con_queso504]

Whats Makes Him Different From Antonio Pittman????

 

[saints2k8]

Whats Makes Him Different From Antonio Pittman????

I'll make it easier. only 2 similarities..they both went to OSU and they are both RBs.

 

[TurkeyOTooley]

That's fine if you like those players, but if Payton and the FO staff don't like them, then it's irrelevant. I haven't heard anything from truck man or realchrism about Smith, Barwin, Mack, or English. I don't think the Saints see them as viable targets at #14. If somehow we're able to strike a deal and trade down (without getting hosed) then that's another story.

There was already only a slim chance that we were picking a LB with our pick. The possible steroid allegations effectively eliminated them as possibliities, or at least that's my opinion.

I don't disagree with you. I just posted on another thread about Rey Maualuga. Add him to the list.

I have heard truckman rave about Smith and stated that the FO is well aware of his skills. Whether that translates to picking at 14, who knows?

 

[JackDiesel]

When are the hundreds of people that are salivating over Beanie Wells going to realize that this game is won and lost in the trenches?

Our o-line is better at pass protection than run blocking, they are slightly smaller but more agile, which makes sense since our most valuable player is Brees and we should protect him first. We didn't convert the 3rd and 1's because our o-line doesn't get the push necessary to get that. It makes more sense to draft Alex Mack than Beanie Wells. He plays every down in the offense unlike Beanie and it will also help protect Brees.

As for drafting Sean Smith at 14 I have this point to make. He didn't play around a lot of defensive talent yet still was a difference maker on a team that made a run for the national championship and handled a good Alabama team in it's bowl game. Ran smooth in postional drills at the combine, then agian at his pro day and he ran fast 40 time. If you take away where the 'experts' think he should be taken at and start with a clean slate I think Sean Smith has done everything he can do to justify taking him with the 14th pick in this draft. He has the highest ceiling out of anyone we can draft at 14 and with Gregg Williams ability and history of getting the best out of his players Sean Smith is the perfect fit for us.

The Patriots 'reached' for Mayo at #10 last year and ended up with the DROY. I say that worked out well for them. You draft the BPA for your system, Sean Smith is that guy.

 

[O MAN]

If BW were a top 5 pick that dropped to #14, YES! Otherwise, there are better considerations that may be there DB, OT, DT, LB and OC.

 

[truck man]

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5167

http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2009/04/draft_talk_dominates_the_new_o.html

Just passing along some more speculation.

I'd say there's about a 25-30 percent chance that Wells is the pick. How's that for going out on a limb? .

didn't you ask me yesterday what percentage i thought it was they Draft Wells and i said 20%. i think he was lurking around here

 

[TurkeyOTooley]

When are the hundreds of people that are salivating over Beanie Wells going to realize that this game is won and lost in the trenches?

Our o-line is better at pass protection than run blocking, they are slightly smaller but more agile, which makes sense since our most valuable player is Brees and we should protect him first. We didn't convert the 3rd and 1's because our o-line doesn't get the push necessary to get that. It makes more sense to draft Alex Mack than Beanie Wells. He plays every down in the offense unlike Beanie and it will also help protect Brees.

As for drafting Sean Smith at 14 I have this point to make. He didn't play around a lot of defensive talent yet still was a difference maker on a team that made a run for the national championship and handled a good Alabama team in it's bowl game. Ran smooth in postional drills at the combine, then agian at his pro day and he ran fast 40 time. If you take away where the 'experts' think he should be taken at and start with a clean slate I think Sean Smith has done everything he can do to justify taking him with the 14th pick in this draft. He has the highest ceiling out of anyone we can draft at 14 and with Gregg Williams ability and history of getting the best out of his players Sean Smith is the perfect fit for us.

The Patriots 'reached' for Mayo at #10 last year and ended up with the DROY. I say that worked out well for them. You draft the BPA for your system, Sean Smith is that guy.

Well said.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

out of all the runningbacks in the NFL:
Pierre Thomas is ranked 11th in dyar, 4th in dvoa, and 1st in success rate



http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

Under "innovative stats." That is not even a real stat, but some subjective stat dreamed up by a website. I think I would trust Payton more than that site. Thomas got stuffed multiple times on 3rd and short and goaline. Whether that was his fault or the line can be debated.

 

[money941]

didn't you ask me yesterday what percentage i thought it was they Draft Wells and i said 20%. i think he was lurking around here

Lol very true, you did say that. You deserve the props and was probably the case.

 

[mister pc]

Under "innovative stats." That is not even a real stat, but some subjective stat dreamed up by a website. I think I would trust Payton more than that site. Thomas got stuffed multiple times on 3rd and short and goaline. Whether that was his fault or the line can be debated.

ive said many times that the Saints could benefit from a bruiser power back for third and short. but we dont need to waste the no 14 pick on a RB. i agree with the poster who said that our short yardage run game would be more improved by drafting Mack than Wells.

In his first career start, Thomas became the first player in Saints history and just the second rookie in NFL history to gain over 100 yards rushing and 100 receiving in the same game.

yeah lets get him off the field.

 

[GoldRush26]

ive said many times that the Saints could benefit from a bruiser power back for third and short. but we dont need to waste the no 14 pick on a RB. i agree with the poster who said that our short yardage run game would be more improved by drafting Mack than Wells.

If the Saints have a specific kind of back with a specific skill set in mind, and Wells fits that description, and Jenkins is off the board, why is it a bad idea to pick him???? They can't count on the possibility that the guy that they have targeted in the 4th round will be there, unless they have Wells and some other back rated pretty closely, which is almost certainly not the case. All they can go with is what they see right in front of them, which is Wells sitting there at #14.

They definitely seemed prepared to upgrade the RB position, so if RB is the BPA at #14 (in their opinion, not yours) then it makes sense to go with Wells.