Ukraine

[boutte]

Wow that is pessimistic. Is the UA still that unprepared?

Yeah. But the Russians are worse. Like Sailor Saint said it's hard to go nothing to a large professional army. Let's just hope they're good enough to make some major gains before the next rainy season happens. Otherwise we could see the next administration not be so generous causing NATO countries follow suit.

 

[0rion]

I noticed that personal observations were being referred to as "we" throughout that long sweeping article. That soon abraded my interest.

That's insecurity not pessimism. The authors didn't seem to understand that they could learn something by the experience as easily as the Ukrainian's could.

I agree and think the main take away from that article for me is that Ukraine still has soldiers rooted in the ways of the Russian army. Not surprising and not unexpected. The newer generation of soldier there will be different and better....it'll just take some time to get there.

 

[SamAndreas]

Yeah. But the Russians are worse. Like Sailor Saint said it's hard to go nothing to a large professional army. Let's just hope they're good enough to make some major gains before the next rainy season happens. Otherwise we could see the next administration not be so generous causing NATO countries follow suit.

A thus far nebulous "next administration," if any such, projects two rainy seasons into the far distant future, not just one rainy season.

Anyway that's a for the MAP board discussion.

 

[efil4stnias]

Did ya happen to catch the very end?

That was not a MIG or SU

 

[efil4stnias]

It's not easy to go from ragtag to world class overnite. IMO, once this is over and they are in NATO, they will be some of the toughest, smartest fighters in the organization.

While some still focused on organizational aspects, this has happened



If you keep reading, he points out that 35 brigades is more than US currently. Or more than Germany, France and Italy combined. If you figure 3k per brigade, that's 105,000 or so, not to mention armored pieces within each brigade (some more than others depending on how constructed and for what purpose etc)

 

[Sailorsaint]

A very good speech by Scholz towards the end responding to a pro-russian person in the audience.

 

[SamAndreas]

While some still focused on organizational aspects, this has happened



If you keep reading, he points out that 35 brigades is more than US currently. Or more than Germany, France and Italy combined. If you figure 3k per brigade, that's 105,000 or so, not to mention armored pieces within each brigade (some more than others depending on how constructed and for what purpose etc)

In doing that approximation math Thomas Theiner makes some glaring errors which significantly understates Ukrainian forces as well as that of the US. And probably that of those other countries he mentioned.

He should use a minimum of 4,000 for Ukrainian brigades, and he ought to realize that in only counting US army forces he is ignoring our Marine Corps.

The current estimate he came up with understates the size of the Ukrainian Army by 60,000, of what it was way back in 2016 when it was merely a force 165,000 strong.

I would estimate that NATO has something like 1.5 million mobilized and ready to go. That Ukraine has at least 300,000 if not a half million total forces already engaged or ready to engage.

Of that I would think close to 200,000 of them are ground forces which could be a part of the upcoming counter offensive.

 

[BigFrosty]

 

[baarbogast]

‘Everything Changed’: The War Arrives on Russians’ Doorstep

Over the last five days of May, Ruslan, an English teacher in a Russian town near the Ukrainian border, heard the distinct sound of a multiple rocket launcher strike for the first time. Shelling would begin around 3 a.m., sometimes shaking his house, and continue through the morning. He had...

www.yahoo.com

 

[SamAndreas]

Compare that with this:



Those were illumination flares on parachutes which burn out before they hit the ground and start fires. Not incendiary shells which fall fast and hit the ground before they burn out to start fires.

The ones in the video I posted show tails as they drift drown on their parachutes, but that was a case where the sky was very dark so the tails really show up. The video in Russia has a an almost full moon and that causes the tails to not be as visible.

 

[SamAndreas]

 

[baarbogast]

 

[Sailorsaint]

‘Everything Changed’: The War Arrives on Russians’ Doorstep

Over the last five days of May, Ruslan, an English teacher in a Russian town near the Ukrainian border, heard the distinct sound of a multiple rocket launcher strike for the first time. Shelling would begin around 3 a.m., sometimes shaking his house, and continue through the morning. He had...

www.yahoo.com

I cannont express how satisfying this is to me. They were fine with what russia was doing to the helpless civilians in Ukraine, but don't let it happen to us! And the best part? Let's see how much of a priority their infrastructure repair is to russia. Ukraine went about a week the first time it happened to them before they had it repaired. Then other countries sent supplies and they cut that down to about 3 days. Let's see how long the kremlin lets them go without power.

 

[baarbogast]