Ukraine (26 Viewers)

[baarbogast]

 

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[boutte]

And if the cowardly US 'steps up' and drags them into a full fledged war, would that make em feel better?

If the war drags on for years and Ukraine is in ruins and a whole generation of Ukrainian men are decimated along with tens of thousands of civillians not to mention famine in Africa and the Middle East would that be a better outcome?

If Russia is given time to mobilize and rebuild like they did in the Winter War, WWII and Chechnya is that better for world peace? We already see that China, N.K. and Iran are all feeding the Bear. And that's just the ones that we know about.

 

[boutte]

I believe that Turkey will only allow ships that have a Black Sea port home in. That still allows Romania, Turkey and Bulgaria to provide protection.

Who says it has to be a ship? That airspace doesn't belong to anyone. All three of those nations are NATO.

 

[bclemms]

When was the last time Russia really escalated?

NATO continues to escalate, Russia only responds with rhetoric.

Why? That is what I’ve spent the last few months trying to figure out.

Is Putin scared? Can they not afford it? Are they incapable? Does he want attrition? Is he backed in a corner backed only by pride? A little of all of the above? Are they out of options other than crossing some really big lines such as tactical nukes, sinking foreign ships or a direct attacks on NATO?

It seems Russia’s line in the sand has slowly been retreating to NATO’s will. Where does the line break or stiffen?

 

[BigFrosty]

 

[BigFrosty]

When was the last time Russia really escalated?

NATO continues to escalate, Russia only responds with rhetoric.

Why? That is what I’ve spent the last few months trying to figure out.

Is Putin scared? Can they not afford it? Are they incapable? Does he want attrition? Is he backed in a corner backed only by pride? A little of all of the above? Are they out of options other than crossing some really big lines such as tactical nukes, sinking foreign ships or a direct attacks on NATO?

It seems Russia’s line in the sand has slowly been retreating to NATO’s will. Where does the line break or stiffen?

Count into the equation that RU thought this would be a 3 day special operation.

 

[BigFrosty]

 

[SamAndreas]

I've noticed a bit of a chaotic feel to a couple posts in this thread like something is spilling into the thread. On Twitter I find a pronounced chaotic feel. That seems to be where it is coming from.

Noticeable is a theme that the US is not doing enough, and woe, excessive death and destruction to come. There is also a growing theme that the US has been underhanded in secrete talks with Russians which undermines Ukraine.

Here's an article on that point published by the Moscow Times, then republished by the Euromaidan Press:

US offered Russia "fair" elections in occupied Ukraine in secret talks - Moscow Times - Euromaidan Press

New details have emerged of the US-Russia backchannel talks about Ukraine, which are intended to breach the "severe lack of sustained U.S.-Russia dialogue on European security"

euromaidanpress.com

I think that article is made of garbage. I don't believe any part of it at all. There might be real elements in it, but the way it is stitched together looks unreal.

Putting together what I'm seeing in an overall sense is that Russian sly propaganda is spilling over.

Ukraine is clearly winning this war. The US has been a good and kind ally in supporting them. This trash is attempting to undermine and cause strife.

Someones on the Internet are being big bad trolls. And they are fooling other more reasonable someones on the Internet into retweeting and propounding further on their garbage.

I'm seriously questioning everything I'm currently seeing. Part of war is propaganda, and its becoming apparent to me that it has invaded by pro-Russia and has achieved a larger foothold at Twitter.

 

[SamAndreas]

Getting off of Twitter for now helped, it was starting to make me feel a wee bit sea sick:

 

[baarbogast]

 

[Maxp]

When was the last time Russia really escalated?

NATO continues to escalate, Russia only responds with rhetoric.

Why? That is what I’ve spent the last few months trying to figure out.

Is Putin scared? Can they not afford it? Are they incapable? Does he want attrition? Is he backed in a corner backed only by pride? A little of all of the above? Are they out of options other than crossing some really big lines such as tactical nukes, sinking foreign ships or a direct attacks on NATO?

It seems Russia’s line in the sand has slowly been retreating to NATO’s will. Where does the line break or stiffen?

The Russians blowing up Kakhovka dam was a major escalation. How much more can they escalate without using nuclear weapons or melting down a reactor? They have already completely obliterated cities and stolen children.

 

[baarbogast]

 

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