Underhill article: “Saints moves are telling us what they felt the real problem with the team was last season” (83 Viewers)

[Bayouboy]

One negative to being in a terrible division is the fact that a decent turnaround could land you as a division winner and punch your ticket into the playoffs. I think that has everything to do with staying in the "win now" mode even though we probably have a "blow it up" roster.

If we were looking up at the Chiefs or Bills in our division, I think the team would approach things differently. Just my 2 cents.

 

[bayoumilitia]

Injuries is an excuse.

Watch the video and tell me what kind of bologna DA had going on with these said “injuries”???

Our problem wasn’t injuries, it was the dude walking around with a visor on. It’s not emotions, this is reality. Welcome

Judging by how DA handled Miller’s “injury”, i question whether some players were indeed actually “injured”. Just saying

The Eagles lost a 1 pt game to ATL and beat GB before us. Even if we did beat them Siriani was NOT getting fired

Well brother, I can tell you. I have relatives in Philly and I’m telling you what they told me. The sports radio shows in Philly were not happy with his decision making early in the season, even after the close win against us. There were many calling for his head after the way the season before ended and this season began.

Keep in mind, while many folks here believe we have the most impatient fan base, I beg to differ .

 

[SweetT]

Well brother, I can tell you. I have relatives in Philly and I’m telling you what they told me. The sports radio shows in Philly were not happy with his decision making early in the season, even after the close win against us. There were many calling for his head after the way the season before ended and this season began.

Keep in mind, while many folks here believe we have the most impatient fan base, I beg to differ .

I remember the articles about Philly maybe wanting to move on from Sirianni. Dude is lucky that their season came together, like it did. I was kinda rooting against Sirianni initially bc i didn’t like his smugness and felt like he was underachieving. Not to mention, I don’t care about any Philly teams. Sirianni, won me over though. He showed me that he could be a great HC.

 

[bayoumilitia]

I remember the articles about Philly maybe wanting to move on from Sirianni. Dude is lucky that their season came together

Yep, my uncle in Philly kept referring to the bad ending to the previous season and at that time Lurie was behind Sirianni. So when this season didn’t start off spectacularly of course the narrative by local fans and media was maybe he needs to go. Obviously they’re not saying that now.

Why Eagles Won’t Fire Nick Sirianni Despite Disastrous Ending To Season

While Eagles media and fans will call for Nick Sirianni’s job following this humbling defeat against the Buccaneers, that shouldn't become a reality.

www.forbes.com

 

[Dome50]

Yeah, I was at the week four Eagles/Saints game in the Dome....I was totally surrounded by Eagles fans. It was awful. Anyway, Saints were up for most of that game and there was definitely a general sentiment amongst the Eagles fans that Sirianni was going to get fired mid-season. They were furious with him. Funny how things change...

 

[Bill]

The problem I have is that the folks on Airline tellling us we have a good roster are the same people who insisted that we had a great coaching staff under DA.

If the new staff is OK with the hand they've been dealt, that makes me feel better, for sure. But I put zero faith in what the front office says or believes any more.

I don't believe anything being spewed by anybody in the offseason/preseason. Even when the sports media jumps on the Saints bandwagon, it still has to pass my own eye test before I start to get my hopes & expectations up. I can usually tell by Game 14 or 15 of the regular season if we are legitimate or not.

 

[sfidc3]

Someone already predicting no more than 5 wins for the 2025 season at this point is pretty much worthless.....same for someone predicting 10+ wins and playoffs!!!!!

1) Well before the roster is even close to being set, still in F/A, draft in a month, etc....
2) No idea who will be playing/healthy at the start of the season
3) Brand new HC, no idea what the offense is going to look like....
4) The NFC South won't be the weakest division forever, are one of the teams going to emerge as a contender?

I think the draft is going to be very interesting this year.....

 

[DSnfla]

Well brother, I can tell you. I have relatives in Philly and I’m telling you what they told me. The sports radio shows in Philly were not happy with his decision making early in the season, even after the close win against us. There were many calling for his head after the way the season before ended and this season began.

Keep in mind, while many folks here believe we have the most impatient fan base, I beg to differ .

My ex is from Philly so I know all about Iggles fans and people from Philly. They are the worst fan base that I know of. But Roseman believes in Siriani, he could have fired him last yr but stuck with him, he would have had to lose a lot more than the 1st couple games to be canned

 

[DSnfla]

For a guy who's always talking about semantics and context, you sure don't pay much attention to that when it's someone else. Just went straight for the argument didn't you? The emoticon was a clue. He said 2024. Book it....I GUARANTEE it. 2025....I have no idea. I hope you're right, and I think you probably are.

Semantics and context have nothing to do with my question, I was just asking why with all the injuries and poor coaching we had last yr that with a clean slat injury wise and a promising new coaching staff you think we will be just as bad as last yr?

 

[DSnfla]

I’m going to do the whole “hypothetical” like many wants to do. “IF” we ended up winning those 5 games, plus add the 5 games that we won, brings our win total to 10 games, and DA never gets fired in the first place. So, it would be looked at as DA’s best year as a HC. He would still be here and the narrative would be “A 10-7 season, the best since SP’s exit, and is something we can build on”. The injury excuse wouldn’t be that big of a talking point bc everyone would be singing DA’s praises for beating the likes of the Eagles, Falcons, and Commanders. Kellen wouldn’t even be here if that happened. Do you see how this works? Remember that DC4 was going to return if we could’ve won those games. He would’ve had MVS/Pettis at that point and we probably don’t shut AK41 down. This is all hypothetical jargon. We all saw wasted opportunities in those games. If you are making in game mistakes with starters and backups, but still have a chance to win those games, then how is injuries the biggest problem? A 3 month span of different players and the same results. I’ve always said that the main problem was coaching. Everyone knows that I’m the biggest DA hater this side of the Mississippi. He found historical ways to lose games. Our interim HC, was nothing more than a interim guy, trying to do the best he could. If you change the HC, you have, in theory, got rid of the biggest problem. Now, at this point what do you point the finger at, as what the biggest problem is? The injury excuse, is next on the list. If our team was healthy-ish for the whole season, but the same 5-12 record, DA still gets replaced, then what would they say was the reason for the abysmal performance? I need to know bc everyone seems to need an excuse. Personally, I took that 5-12 season for what it was. No one has ever heard me say anything about the rash of injuries. We had chances to win games. We were all there. We do a few things differently, then the results would’ve been different. We sucked as a team, we sucked at coaching, we sucked from a GM standpoint. We basically just sucked. Point blank.

1st , I never said injuries were the only problem, I've always said injuries and coaching were the biggest problem and it seems the CKM and his staff are inclined to think so as well.
I've also said that in a way the injuries were a bit of a blessing in disguise because if we had been healthy we probably would have won 10 games and the NFCS and DA would still be the HC and we all knew DA would need to go eventually.

You just refuse to entertain the idea that had we not been decimated by injuries we would have probably doubled our win total or close to it.
You seem to want to make sure that all the blame falls on DA. Could that be because you are " The biggest DA hater this side of the Mississippi"?
That line kind of says it all. So any debate of the injury issue with you is fruitless. So I'll stop there because I understand where you're coming from

 

[DSnfla]

Here's the obvious disconnect between those who believe with a really good draft we can compete in 2025 and are optimistic going forward and those who question that we can and are not optimistic. Just how talented are we?

I raise again the questions of just how many blue-chip (top five at their position) and red-chip (top 10 at their position) players we have--especially players 28 or younger. And I just heard part of a podcast (which I usually do not listen to) with Jim Derry and Mike Detillier in which Detillier argues that the Saints have few "core" or foundation players under 29 and disagrees with the organization over how talented we are.

In talking about team talent, depth matters. In talking about a team's future beyond the upcoming season, young core players matter. I am paraphrasing Detillier, but he said on the podcast that in the NFC West, Tampa and Atlanta are clearly better and suggested that we are closer to being the fourth team in the division rather than the second team. I agree.

I don't think you are taking into consideration coaching. Every yr coaching makes a player that underperformed into 1 of those blue and red chip players. Take our DL for instance, Grantham was an abysmal DL coach. Just ask Cam. DA was an awful HC. We have a promising new HC and coaching staff that I think will make blue and red chip players out of some of these guys.

Also any real assessment of the team is almost impossible to do due to the injury situation we suffered last yr. Maybe was should do a tally of the blue and red chip players closer to the end of the season after CKM and his staff have time to mold them

 

[texasjefe]

Yeah, I was at the week four Eagles/Saints game in the Dome....I was totally surrounded by Eagles fans. It was awful. Anyway, Saints were up for most of that game and there was definitely a general sentiment amongst the Eagles fans that Sirianni was going to get fired mid-season. They were furious with him. Funny how things change...

Siriani had taken the Eagles to the Super Bowl in 2022. They had grown stale, but not close to being as stale as they were in Doug Pederson's last years there. He would've had to repeated 2023 in 2024 for him to be at risk.

They brought Barkley in, and then Kellen needed a third of the season to get the chemistry right and to get Jalen to settle back into his role. Then the defense found Baun and nirvana and here we are.

 

[DSnfla]

One negative to being in a terrible division is the fact that a decent turnaround could land you as a division winner and punch your ticket into the playoffs. I think that has everything to do with staying in the "win now" mode even though we probably have a "blow it up" roster.

If we were looking up at the Chiefs or Bills in our division, I think the team would approach things differently. Just my 2 cents.

I don't see any negative to being in a weak division. You get into the playoffs any way you can. I also don't think we are in a win-now mode, if we were we would have overpaid for Ward, Kupp and Becton.

 

[sfidc3]

My ex is from Philly so I know all about Iggles fans and people from Philly. They are the worst fan base that I know of. But Roseman believes in Siriani, he could have fired him last yr but stuck with him, he would have had to lose a lot more than the 1st couple games to be canned

Uh, I'm going to go ahead and call BS on this.....all fan bases have their idiots, they also have knowledgeable, even courteous fans......I have many friends that are Eagles fans, I would say most are knowledgeable and courteous, just a few that I would call over the top......I can say the same about friends I have that are Saints or Commanders fans as well....it's not unique to a specific fan base....

 

[Hedon James]

This. I just watched Justin Reid’s interview with Kay Adams. He could have signed with the Eagles or the Chiefs if he was more patient but he signed with his hometown team. Obviously money factored in but more importantly it’s about winning. All these guys really believe that they can compete for a championship. That’s all I want. I’m in on 2024.

I love your enthusiasm, but I just can't see this team doing any better than 5-12 in 2024.

Last yrs team was decimated by injuries and had a poor HC. We lose only 1 player of consequence to FA, make a big upgrade @ S. Hire a very promising HC and staff. And you think we will not do any better than we did last yr???

How do you come to that conclusion ??

For a guy who's always talking about semantics and context, you sure don't pay much attention to that when it's someone else. Just went straight for the argument didn't you? The emoticon was a clue. He said 2024. Book it....I GUARANTEE it. 2025....I have no idea. I hope you're right, and I think you probably are.

Semantics and context have nothing to do with my question, I was just asking why with all the injuries and poor coaching we had last yr that with a clean slat injury wise and a promising new coaching staff you think we will be just as bad as last yr?

Semantics and context have EVERYTHING to do with your question. You're fond of telling people to "read it again", so I've attached the quotes & replies to follow along (see above).

• 9thwardvet is all in on 2024. obviously a typo.
• but i can't resist the opportunity for sarcasm and predict the 2024 record to be no better than 5-12 (even included a winky emoticon to let 9thward know that I was teasing)
• you responded with your arguments and your statement (phrased as a question) as to why we'll do better in 2025
• feeling that you missed the point of MY post, i pointed out the difference between 2024 and 2025. and even threw you a bone by answering your question with my agreement for your 2025 arguments.
• and yet you STILL go for the argument? are you being purposefully obtuse, or are you still missing the point?

i knew better than to respond to you, but did it anyhow since we basically agree on this one. but it seems you like to argue more than you like being right. noted...