UnitedHealth CEO shot (3 Viewers)

[Madmarsha]

His friends and family said he was spiraling after the surgery and his Bookreads account history showed he was struggling with debilitating backpain and reading how to navigate the US Healthcare system. I am fairly certain it's his personal experiences that radicalized him to this point and I'd wager he had claims denied directly from UHC.

Actually, we haven't really heard all that much from his family and friends as apparently they have not been in contact with him for months. I dunno, I just don't think much of this guy's radicalization story as the face of healthcare reform as someone to feel sorry for.

 

[SWJJ]

Actually, we haven't really heard all that much from his family and friends as apparently they have not been in contact with him for months. I dunno, I just don't think much of this guy's radicalization story as the face of healthcare reform.

Even if you don't think his radicalization story should be the face of healthcare reform, what about the general tone of the public to the response of the shooting?

In Casablanca no one would really call Rick Blaine a good guy or a hero, but he helped Victor escape the Nazis.

in T2 the Terminator comes back and is the protector of John Conner.

At the end of the day Luigi may not the hero we need right now, but he is the Hero we deserve.

 

[Sun Wukong]

Totally off topic, but Kaczynski has always fascinated me. He is arguably one of the most intelligent Human
beings who ever existed. When he was a freshman in college his professors would seek him out to solve
complex math problems. He just took the wrong path in life. No, I do not condone what he did.

His analysis in his manifesto of the negative impact technology would ultimately have on civilization and human interaction was pretty much spot on and described where we are now 30 years before we got here.

But, ya know, the insanity and murder wasn't great.

 

[saintmdterps]

He will likely spend the rest of his life in prison. Now the tax payers will bear the brunt of the cost to care for his Spondylolisthesis.

Ironic

Better healthcare in jail than working for corporate America. I will say this, jails don’t do to much for pain meds or withdrawal symptoms due to addiction concerns.

 

[Madmarsha]

Even if you don't think his radicalization story should be the face of healthcare reform, what about the general tone of the public to the response of the shooting?

Yeah, my heart's not bleeding for either one (one a $10 million CEO, one with probably about a 500K education), frankly, so I can understand the general tone but not the championing. I'm sorry dude had bad back pain but it's fixing to get worse in prison.

In Casablanca no one would really call Rick Blaine a good guy or a hero, but he helped Victor escape the Nazis.

The.best.movie.ever.

At the end of the day Luigi may not the hero we need right now, but he is the Hero we deserve.

Great movie tagline but this isn't a movie. No one got killed but Thompson .... but what if things had gone not to plan and someone else was killed or hurt on the street. Not a hero at all really.

 

[SWJJ]

According to a social media post from someone I only vaguely know (so take this with a grain of salt)

a copy of Luigi's manifesto is published online at https://archive.is/7jUsF

text copy below:

The second amendment means I am my own chief executive and commander in chief of my own military. I authorize my own act of self-defense in response to a hostile entity making war on me and my family.
Nelson Mandela says no form of viooence can be excused. Camus says it’s all the same, whether you live or die or have a cup of coffee. MLK says violence never brings permanent peace. Gandhi says that non-violence is the mightiest power available to mankind.
That’s who they tell you are heroes. That’s who our revolutionaries are.
Yet is that not capitalistic? Non-violence keeps the system working at full speed ahead.
What did it get us. Look in the mirror.
They want us to be non-violent, so that they can grow fat off the blood they take from us.
The only way out is through. Not all of us will make it. Each of us is our own chief executive. You have to decide what you will tolerate.
In Gladiator 1 Maximus cuts into the military tattoo that identifies him as part of the roman legion. His friend asks “Is that the sign of your god?” As Maximus carves deeper into his own flesh, as his own blood drips down his skin, Maximus smiles and nods yes. The tattoo represents the emperor, who is god. The god emperor has made himself part of Maximus’s own flesh. The only way to destroy the emperor is to destroy himself. Maximus smiles through the pain because he knows it is worth it.
These might be my last words. I don’t know when they will come for me. I will resist them at any cost. That’s why I smile through the pain.

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They diagnosed my mother with severe neuropathy when she was forty-one years old. She said it started ten years before that with burning sensations in her feet and occasional sharp stabbing pains. At first the pain would last a few moments, then fade to tingling, then numbness, then fade to nothing a few days later.
The first time the pain came she ignored it. Then it came a couple times a year and she ignored it. Then every couple months. Then a couple times a month. Then a couple times a week. At that point by the time the tingling faded to numbness, the pain would start, and the discomfort was constant. At that point even going from the couch to the kitchen to make her own lunch became a major endeavor
She started with ibuprofen, until the stomach aches and acid reflux made her switch to acetaminophen. Then the headaches and barely sleeping made her switch back to ibuprofen.
The first doctor said it was psychosomatic. Nothing was wrong. She needed to relax, destress, sleep more.
The second doctor said it was a compressed nerve in her spine. She needed back surgery. It would cost $180,000. Recovery would be six months minimum before walking again. Twelve months for full potential recovery, and she would never lift more than ten pounds of weight again.
The third doctor performed a Nerve Conduction Study, Electromyography, MRI, and blood tests. Each test cost $800 to $1200. She hit the $6000 deductible of her UnitedHealthcare plan in October. Then the doctor went on vacation, and my mother wasn’t able to resume tests until January when her deductible reset.
The tests showed severe neuropathy. The $180,000 surgery would have had no effect.
They prescribed opioids for the pain. At first the pain relief was worth the price of constant mental fog and constipation. She didn’t tell me about that until later. All I remember is we took a trip for the first time in years, when she drove me to Monterey to go to the aquarium. I saw an otter in real life, swimming on its back. We left at 7am and listened to Green Day on the four-hour car ride. Over time, the opioids stopped working. They made her MORE sensitive to pain, and she felt withdrawal symptoms after just two or three hours.
Then gabapentin. By now the pain was so bad she couldn’t exercise, which compounded the weight gain from the slowed metabolic rate and hormonal shifts. And it barely helped the pain, and made her so fatigued she would go an entire day without getting out of bed.
Then Corticosteroids. Which didn’t even work.
The pain was so bad I would hear my mother wake up in the night screaming in pain. I would run into her room, asking if she’s OK. Eventually I stopped getting up. She’d yell out anguished shrieks of wordless pain or the word “fork” stretched and distended to its limits. I’d turn over and go back to sleep.
All of this while they bled us dry with follow-up appointment after follow-up appointment, specialist consultations, and more imagine scans. Each appointment was promised to be fully covered, until the insurance claims were delayed and denied. Allopathic medicine did nothing to help my mother’s suffering. Yet it is the foundation of our entire society.
My mother told me that on a good day the nerve pain was like her legs were immersed in ice water. On a bad day it felt like her legs were clamped in a machine shop vice, screwed down to where the cranks stopped turning, then crushed further until her ankle bones sprintered and cracked to accommodate the tightening clamp. She had more bad days than good.
My mother crawled to the bathroom on her hands and knees. I slept in the living room to create more distance from her cries in the night. I still woke up, and still went back to sleep.
Back then I thought there was nothing I could do.

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The high copays made consistent treatment impossible. New treatments were denied as “not medically necessary.” Old treatments didn’t work, and still put us out for thousands of dollars.
UnitedHealthcare limited specialist consultations to twice a year.
Then they refused to cover advanced imaging, which the specialists required for an appointment.
Prior authorizations took weeks, then months.
UnitedHealthcare constantly changed their claim filing procedure. They said my mother’s doctor needed to fax his notes. Then UnitedHealthcare said they did not save faxed patient correspondence, and required a hardcopy of the doctor’s typed notes to be mailed. Then they said they never received the notes. They were unable to approve the claim until they had received and filed the notes.
They promised coverage, and broke their word to my mother.
With every delay, my anger surged. With every denial, I wanted to throw the doctor through the glass wall of their hospital waiting room.
But it wasn’t them. It wasn’t the doctors, the receptionists, administrators, pharmacists, imaging technicians, or anyone we ever met. It was UnitedHealthcare.

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People are dying. Evil has become institutionalized. Corporations make billions of dollars off the pain, suffering, death, and anguished cries in the night of millions of Americans.
We entered into an agreement for healthcare with a legally binding contract that promised care commensurate with our insurance payments and medical needs. Then UnitedHealthcare changes the rules to suit their own profits. They think they make the rules, and think that because it’s legal that no one can punish them.
They think there’s no one out there who will stop them.

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Now my own chronic back pain wakes me in the night, screaming in pain. I sought out another type of healing that showed me the real antidote to what ails us.
I bide my time, saving the last of my strength to strike my final blows. All extractors must be forced to swallow the bitter pain they deal out to millions.

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As our own chief executives, it’s our obligation to make our own lives better. First and foremost, we must seek to improve our own circumstances and defend ourselves. As we do so, our actions have ripple effects that can improve the lives of others.
Rules exist between two individuals, in a network that covers the entire earth. Some of these rules are written down. Some of these rules emerge from natural respect between two individuals. Some of these rules are defined in physical laws, like the properties of gravity, magnetism or the potential energy stored in the chemical bonds of potassium nitrate.
No single document better encapsulates the belief that all people are equal in fundamental worth and moral status and the frameworks for fostering collective well-being than the US constitution.
Writing a rule down makes it into a law. I don’t give a fork about the law. Law means nothing. What does matter is following the guidance of our own logic and what we learn from those before us to maximize our own well-being, which will then maximize the well-being of our loved ones and community.
That’s where UnitedHealthcare went wrong. They violated their contract with my mother, with me, and tens of millions of other Americans. This threat to my own health, my family’s health, and the health of our country’s people requires me to respond with an act of war.
END

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

According to a social media post from someone I only vaguely know (so take this with a grain of salt)

a copy of Luigi's manifesto is published online at https://archive.is/7jUsF

text copy below:

I think that one is bogus. I've seen this one, which I can't vouch for either, but it does contain some phrasing that I have seen in various news reports.

“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

Exclusive: Luigi's Manifesto

Read the manifesto the media refused to publish

www.kenklippenstein.com

 

[Madmarsha]

"Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

Hubris.

 

[SWJJ]

I think that one is bogus. I've seen this one, which I can't vouch for either, but it does contain some phrasing that I have seen in various news reports.

Exclusive: Luigi's Manifesto

Read the manifesto the media refused to publish

www.kenklippenstein.com

I've seen quotes from your link in various reports, so I would think yours is legit, but I have also seen it reported as a three-page manifesto, and unless it was written very largely that wouldn't fill three pages. I wonder if it's an incomplete excerpt.

 

[faceman]

Better healthcare in jail than working for corporate America. I will say this, jails don’t do to much for pain meds or withdrawal symptoms due to addiction concerns.

I remember this when it happened.

N.C. Man Allegedly Robs Bank of $1 to Get Health Care in Jail

James Verone, 59, says he robbed a Charlotte bank to get health care in prison.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Eeyore]

What needs to happen to some people to wake them up to the fact that it's an exclusive club, and we'll never be in it. No amount of boot licking or squealing will get them to accept you.

Bizarre reason why McDonald's worker might not receive $60,000 reward for identifying Luigi Mangione

Luigi Mangione was arrested at the fast-food restaurant in Pennsylvania after a tip-off from an employee

www.unilad.com

 

[Eeyore]

Back in the before times we had a board game called Clue. I had to quit playing because I kept murdering everybody with random objects.

 

[antipop]

Back in the before times we had a board game called Clue. I had to quit playing because I kept murdering everybody with random objects.

Ah yes…video games…that explains everything

 

[Eeyore]

Ah yes…video games…that explains everything

Among Us of all games.

 

[superchuck500]

Back in the before times we had a board game called Clue. I had to quit playing because I kept murdering everybody with random objects.

That’s hilarious.

My kids have been playing an offline playground version of that for years. Training to be assassins I guess.