Watching Football on TV (LED/OLED) (1 Viewer)

[UK SAINTS]

Try this instead of a new tv.

Amazon product ASIN B092GCN9NL

I'm still in the market for a newer TV, but thanks for the link.

 

[Zztop]

I don't know if this is all tv's or just OLED's but each pixel has 4 sub pixels I believe but the perfect blacks is because they just turn off the right ones.

Yes, thats basically it. Each pixel of an OLED is self-emissive and can turn on/off on an individual basis. Vs a LCD tv that has a backlight (dimming zones) lighting up the LCD panel.

We bought a 55” Q90T after our last Samsung 4K died after about 3 years.

I can’t really say how common this is across brands, but I’ve learned all about dirty screen effect with the Q90. I was used to led backlighting uniformity issues, but didn’t really expect it at this price point and what I thought I knew about QLED.

There is definitely some panel lottery involved, no manufacturer is perfect and I guess it comes down to which negative would bother you the least. I've read the dirty screen effect is worse in the larger panels like the 70+ inch ones. I'd suggest if people have doubts to buy from a store with a good return policy. Buying through costco with their branded credit card gets you a 5 year warranty, tradeoff is a smaller selection of tvs. LG has a 5 year manufacturer warranty on the LG G1 (not sure about the c1). I don't know much about samsung warranty.

Or for people with the money, they can buy a pre-calibrated tv https://valueelectronics.com/product/q-c-and-calibration/ I am only recommending this site because I know about their procedure. They'll take tv out, run it through a battery of tests and calibrate it, but if it doesn't live up to their standards, they will not ship it out and keep opening boxes until they find a good one for you. On a side note this is the only company that Panasonic allowed to sell their tvs in the US (I heard it took him several years to convince them).

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Yes, thats basically it. Each pixel of an OLED is self-emissive and can turn on/off on an individual basis. Vs a LCD tv that has a backlight (dimming zones) lighting up the LCD panel.



There is definitely some panel lottery involved, no manufacturer is perfect and I guess it comes down to which negative would bother you the least. I've read the dirty screen effect is worse in the larger panels like the 70+ inch ones. I'd suggest if people have doubts to buy from a store with a good return policy. Buying through costco with their branded credit card gets you a 5 year warranty, tradeoff is a smaller selection of tvs. LG has a 5 year manufacturer warranty on the LG G1 (not sure about the c1). I don't know much about samsung warranty.

Or for people with the money, they can buy a pre-calibrated tv https://valueelectronics.com/product/q-c-and-calibration/ I am only recommending this site because I know about their procedure. They'll take tv out, run it through a battery of tests and calibrate it, but if it doesn't live up to their standards, they will not ship it out and keep opening boxes until they find a good one for you. On a side note this is the only company that Panasonic allowed to sell their tvs in the US (I heard it took him several years to convince them).

Panasonic! They bought the Pioneer Elite I believe and those plasma tv's were excellent! We had a 720P Panasonic that looked better than my previous tv which was a Samsung 46 inch LED. The colors on that tv were probably the best I still have ever seen. It only crapped out about a year ago so we got maybe a decade out of it. It was the kitchen tv. It looked better than some 4K's, that's how good it was. Another cool fact, all LED's are LCD's or did I get that backwards?

 

[Hoodoo]

Yes, thats basically it. Each pixel of an OLED is self-emissive and can turn on/off on an individual basis. Vs a LCD tv that has a backlight (dimming zones) lighting up the LCD panel.



There is definitely some panel lottery involved, no manufacturer is perfect and I guess it comes down to which negative would bother you the least. I've read the dirty screen effect is worse in the larger panels like the 70+ inch ones. I'd suggest if people have doubts to buy from a store with a good return policy. Buying through costco with their branded credit card gets you a 5 year warranty, tradeoff is a smaller selection of tvs. LG has a 5 year manufacturer warranty on the LG G1 (not sure about the c1). I don't know much about samsung warranty.

Or for people with the money, they can buy a pre-calibrated tv https://valueelectronics.com/product/q-c-and-calibration/ I am only recommending this site because I know about their procedure. They'll take tv out, run it through a battery of tests and calibrate it, but if it doesn't live up to their standards, they will not ship it out and keep opening boxes until they find a good one for you. On a side note this is the only company that Panasonic allowed to sell their tvs in the US (I heard it took him several years to convince them).

This is the whole reason I'm going with Best Buy. That way if I get a bad panel with DSE or dead pixels it's going straight back for an exchange.

 

[DavidM]

Yes, thats basically it. Each pixel of an OLED is self-emissive and can turn on/off on an individual basis. Vs a LCD tv that has a backlight (dimming zones) lighting up the LCD panel.



There is definitely some panel lottery involved, no manufacturer is perfect and I guess it comes down to which negative would bother you the least. I've read the dirty screen effect is worse in the larger panels like the 70+ inch ones. I'd suggest if people have doubts to buy from a store with a good return policy. Buying through costco with their branded credit card gets you a 5 year warranty, tradeoff is a smaller selection of tvs. LG has a 5 year manufacturer warranty on the LG G1 (not sure about the c1). I don't know much about samsung warranty.

Or for people with the money, they can buy a pre-calibrated tv https://valueelectronics.com/product/q-c-and-calibration/ I am only recommending this site because I know about their procedure. They'll take tv out, run it through a battery of tests and calibrate it, but if it doesn't live up to their standards, they will not ship it out and keep opening boxes until they find a good one for you. On a side note this is the only company that Panasonic allowed to sell their tvs in the US (I heard it took him several years to convince them).

Appreciate the link.

I bought at Best Buy and have no reservations about returning items that don’t meet expectations but in this case, some time had passed before I really registered what I was seeing, did some research, found some discussions about panel lottery with some people reporting they ended up with worse screens after exchange. Combined with being in the midst of COVID life, just decided to live with it since it’s fine under most conditions. This TV will likely end up in the bedroom sooner than later and I’ll find something else for the living room. Think I’m leaning LG next go round but there’s time for me to be better informed and not make an impulse purchase replacing a dead TV.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Appreciate the link.

I bought at Best Buy and have no reservations about returning items that don’t meet expectations but in this case, some time had passed before I really registered what I was seeing, did some research, found some discussions about panel lottery with some people reporting they ended up with worse screens. Combined with being in the midst of COVID life, just decided to live with it since it’s fine under most conditions. This TV will likely end up in the bedroom sooner than later and I’ll find something else for the living room. Think I’m leaning LG next go round but there’s time for me to be better informed and not make an impulse purchase replacing a dead TV.

Admittedly my info is years old but if you're going to go the OLED route than LG is your company.

 

[Hoodoo]

Admittedly my info is years old but if you're going to go the OLED route than LG is your company.

I would agree & I've been researching them since November of last year. The Sony A90J is supposed to be the best of the best, but the price on it is ridiculously higher than the LG G1 & LG C1. If I was going OLED, my choice would have been the C1, without question. The C1 is on sale right now as well at a very good price.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

I would agree & I've been researching them since November of last year. The Sony A90J is supposed to be the best of the best, but the price on it is ridiculously higher than the LG G1 & LG C1. If I was going OLED, my choice would have been the C1, without question. The C1 is on sale right now as well at a very good price.

It's totally possible that someone else recently has gotten as good or better than they are but they've been the best for 5 or more years with the OLED's.

 

[Zztop]

Panasonic! They bought the Pioneer Elite I believe and those plasma tv's were excellent! We had a 720P Panasonic that looked better than my previous tv which was a Samsung 46 inch LED. The colors on that tv were probably the best I still have ever seen. It only crapped out about a year ago so we got maybe a decade out of it. It was the kitchen tv. It looked better than some 4K's, that's how good it was. Another cool fact, all LED's are LCD's or did I get that backwards?

I had a Panasonic... I forget the model, b/c this was back in like 2010, but I loved it. They exited the US market some years ago. Then last year I came across some info about Robert Zohn (owner of value electronics) who built up a relationship with them and managed to convince them to let him sell some in the US

I would agree & I've been researching them since November of last year. The Sony A90J is supposed to be the best of the best, but the price on it is ridiculously higher than the LG G1 & LG C1. If I was going OLED, my choice would have been the C1, without question. The C1 is on sale right now as well at a very good price.

I think technically (in the US) it would be the Panasonic offered by valueelectronics
https://www.panasonic.com/nz/consum...ons-learn/article/hollywood-to-your-home.html
Says they are used for post production work on movies etc. But this is what would be for like the 1% ers, since it was very limited in number, and extremely expensive. It is/was even more expensive than the A90J, but this tv was for those that wanted the best of the best. Value electronics had limited quantities and sold out.
A90J was pretty close to that Panasonic, or so I've heard. I settled on the A80J - b/c A90J was too much, I chose Sony over LG because I gave movies a higher priority over something like gaming. Sony Oled Tvs supposedly have more accurate colors out the box and I wasn't going to get it calibrated. I doubt anyone would know unless they looked at side-by-side comparison videos on youtube (like I did hah) People can't go wrong with any of these really.

It's totally possible that someone else recently has gotten as good or better than they are but they've been the best for 5 or more years with the OLED's.

LG makes the panels for other companies selling OLED tvs in the US. For oled you have LG, Sony, Vizio (avoid). I don't know where vizio gets their panels, but their quality control is awful. I think for MOST people, who want OLED, LG would be the safe pick, but only the C1 or G1 (G1 is basically for wall mounting and doesn't come with a stand in the box). Lg makes some cheaper models like the A1 but it is limited in several ways compared to C1/G1, and some corners were cut.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

I had a Panasonic... I forget the model, b/c this was back in like 2010, but I loved it. They exited the US market some years ago. Then last year I came across some info about Robert Zohn (owner of value electronics) who built up a relationship with them and managed to convince them to let him sell some in the US



I think technically (in the US) it would be the Panasonic offered by valueelectronics
https://www.panasonic.com/nz/consum...ons-learn/article/hollywood-to-your-home.html
Says they are used for post production work on movies etc. But this is what would be for like the 1% ers, since it was very limited in number, and extremely expensive. It is/was even more expensive than the A90J, but this tv was for those that wanted the best of the best. Value electronics had limited quantities and sold out.
A90J was pretty close to that Panasonic, or so I've heard. I settled on the A80J - b/c A90J was too much, I chose Sony over LG because I gave movies a higher priority over something like gaming. Sony Oled Tvs supposedly have more accurate colors out the box and I wasn't going to get it calibrated. I doubt anyone would know unless they looked at side-by-side comparison videos on youtube (like I did hah) People can't go wrong with any of these really.



LG makes the panels for other companies selling OLED tvs in the US. For oled you have LG, Sony, Vizio (avoid). I don't know where vizio gets their panels, but their quality control is awful. I think for MOST people, who want OLED, LG would be the safe pick, but only the C1 or G1 (G1 is basically for wall mounting and doesn't come with a stand in the box). Lg makes some cheaper models like the A1 but it is limited in several ways compared to C1/G1, and some corners were cut.

I have those colors ingrained in my brain so I'll always notice them. Also, 720P shouldn't look better than some 4K's like the Panasonic plasma did.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

I had a Panasonic... I forget the model, b/c this was back in like 2010, but I loved it. They exited the US market some years ago. Then last year I came across some info about Robert Zohn (owner of value electronics) who built up a relationship with them and managed to convince them to let him sell some in the US



I think technically (in the US) it would be the Panasonic offered by valueelectronics
https://www.panasonic.com/nz/consum...ons-learn/article/hollywood-to-your-home.html
Says they are used for post production work on movies etc. But this is what would be for like the 1% ers, since it was very limited in number, and extremely expensive. It is/was even more expensive than the A90J, but this tv was for those that wanted the best of the best. Value electronics had limited quantities and sold out.
A90J was pretty close to that Panasonic, or so I've heard. I settled on the A80J - b/c A90J was too much, I chose Sony over LG because I gave movies a higher priority over something like gaming. Sony Oled Tvs supposedly have more accurate colors out the box and I wasn't going to get it calibrated. I doubt anyone would know unless they looked at side-by-side comparison videos on youtube (like I did hah) People can't go wrong with any of these really.



LG makes the panels for other companies selling OLED tvs in the US. For oled you have LG, Sony, Vizio (avoid). I don't know where vizio gets their panels, but their quality control is awful. I think for MOST people, who want OLED, LG would be the safe pick, but only the C1 or G1 (G1 is basically for wall mounting and doesn't come with a stand in the box). Lg makes some cheaper models like the A1 but it is limited in several ways compared to C1/G1, and some corners were cut.

I kind of remember LG sharing production with another company but I could be wrong.

 

[DaveXA]

I have a 48" Sony Bravia LCD that I bought from Circuit City (rip) 12 years ago. The picture still looks just like it did when I took it out the box new. Never had a single issue with it. I know it was eons ago, but about 18 months ago I was in Sears, or Best Buy, and the Sonys looked amazing, even side by side with the Samsungs and LGs.

I'm still interested in getting a Sony, but the price is still an issue. The other reason I haven't pulled the trigger on a Sony is the meager built in apps compared to LG/Samsung. I'm open to Samsung because I already have a Samsung phone, which would make syncing up a breeze, or at least I think that would be the case.

We just bought a new house and the living room has a ton of natural light, so something that does well in that environment is a must.

I watch a lot of movies and sports. So I gotta keep that in mind as well.

 

[Zztop]

I kind of remember LG sharing production with another company but I could be wrong.

For OLED, they produce for themselves and resell to others. They have two fabs

LG Display officially announces it has started to mass produce OLED TVs in Guangzhou | OLED Info

LG Display's original plan was to start producing OLED TV panels at its 8.5-Gen OLED fab in Guangzhou in October 2019, but following some technical issues, production was pushed back, several times.Yesterday LGD announced that it has finally started mass production of its Guangzhou fab. The...

www.oled-info.com

however it does say the fab was a joint venture, but seems that might be for financial backing and not sharing of production
"The new fab was established in a joint venture established between LG Display and Guangzhou Development District (GDD). LG Display holds a 70 percent stake in the JV."

I'm still interested in getting a Sony, but the price is still an issue. The other reason I haven't pulled the trigger on a Sony is the meager built in apps compared to LG/Samsung. I'm open to Samsung because I already have a Samsung phone, which would make syncing up a breeze, or at least I think that would be the case.

We just bought a new house and the living room has a ton of natural light, so something that does well in that environment is a must.

I watch a lot of movies and sports. So I gotta keep that in mind as well.

For Sony OLED tvs they source the panels from LG Display, but Sony still develops their own in-house image processor. I'm not sure where they get their LED panels from, but I personally would not consider any of their LED TVs, only OLED. Sony's best LED tv isn't on par with the QN90a.
I'm not sure what you mean by Sony having meager built in apps (if you are referring to the past, older TV or the ones out today). And while I don't know about their LED TVs have built-in, their OLED line uses google tv which has access to the google play store and all those apps.

LG uses WebOs, Samsung uses Tizen OS, I think they have their own app stores separate from google. However I wouldn't worry about lack of apps, they'll all have access to the major ones

For lots of natural light: Samsung QN90a would be the only one I would consider for now. I'm not sure what your budget would be, but currently the 65 inch is going for $2099, I suspect they'll be around $1800 for black Friday/cyber Monday I only mention that particular model, but the 55 inch is around $1500. I'll note however that I generally recommend (if you can) getting something larger, even if its a little more than you budget for. Screen size isn't something you can upgrade later.

 

[DaveXA]

For OLED, they produce for themselves and resell to others. They have two fabs

LG Display officially announces it has started to mass produce OLED TVs in Guangzhou | OLED Info

LG Display's original plan was to start producing OLED TV panels at its 8.5-Gen OLED fab in Guangzhou in October 2019, but following some technical issues, production was pushed back, several times.Yesterday LGD announced that it has finally started mass production of its Guangzhou fab. The...

www.oled-info.com

however it does say the fab was a joint venture, but seems that might be for financial backing and not sharing of production
"The new fab was established in a joint venture established between LG Display and Guangzhou Development District (GDD). LG Display holds a 70 percent stake in the JV."



For Sony OLED tvs they source the panels from LG Display, but Sony still develops their own in-house image processor. I'm not sure where they get their LED panels from, but I personally would not consider any of their LED TVs, only OLED. Sony's best LED tv isn't on par with the QN90a.
I'm not sure what you mean by Sony having meager built in apps (if you are referring to the past, older TV or the ones out today). And while I don't know about their LED TVs have built-in, their OLED line uses google tv which has access to the google play store and all those apps.

LG uses WebOs, Samsung uses Tizen OS, I think they have their own app stores separate from google. However I wouldn't worry about lack of apps, they'll all have access to the major ones

For lots of natural light: Samsung QN90a would be the only one I would consider for now. I'm not sure what your budget would be, but currently the 65 inch is going for $2099, I suspect they'll be around $1800 for black Friday/cyber Monday I only mention that particular model, but the 55 inch is around $1500. I'll note however that I generally recommend (if you can) getting something larger, even if its a little more than you budget for. Screen size isn't something you can upgrade later.

Yeah, I'm most likely gonna go for the 65 inch. I don't plan on spending more than $2k tho. I suspect I'll shoot for something in the $1500-$1800 range. I'll wait if I need to. I'll take a good look at the QN90a and the Sony OLEDs and see what's out there. Thanks.

 

[DaveXA]

So, I've narrowed down my potential picks to the QN90A, A80J, or the C1. For now, I'm leaning to the Sony, although I'm definitely open to either of the other 2. They're all in the same ballpark price-wise.

I am thinking about buying through Best Buy instead of Amazon. I don't know if their return policies are comparable, but Amazon has been pretty good about accepting returns and exchanges without much hassle. I assume Best Buy is similar. I just kind of like the idea of being able to go to the store if I have an issue.

I might go to Best Buy here and let the wife have a look see as well before we make a purchase.

it seems like there are no good sales at the moment since they're priced nearly identical between Amazon and Best Buy. So I may wait for a good sale comes around before pulling the trigger.