Well, Let's get Ben Johnson as HC and a QB with a top 2 pick in the Draft (2 Viewers)

[jahsoul357]

I don't like him for his actual QB play. I have no idea who he is as a person. But as a QB, he isn't elite at anything but he's solid to good at most things. But, given the coaching he has had since he was a kid, he's about at his ceiling. Which doesn't bode well for him in the NFL.

When you look at him throwing the ball, that tells the story. This is not directed at you at all, but there are a lot of people out there who equate playing out of structure to being elite. Everybody raved about Williams and Maye playing out of structure, but when you look at actual quarterbacking, Penix was better than both. When I look at Shaduer, from playing within the pocket and ball placement, there isn't a lot better. There are some things that he needs to work on (footwork comes to mind but in this day and age where everyone runs out of shotgun...eh) but he can ball. Sometimes, it all in a name. If the QB at Texas name was Arch McMillan, nobody would be hyping him up the way that he is...lol.

 

[SweetT]

 

[St. Widge]

When you look at him throwing the ball, that tells the story. This is not directed at you at all, but there are a lot of people out there who equate playing out of structure to being elite. Everybody raved about Williams and Maye playing out of structure, but when you look at actual quarterbacking, Penix was better than both. When I look at Shaduer, from playing within the pocket and ball placement, there isn't a lot better. There are some things that he needs to work on (footwork comes to mind but in this day and age where everyone runs out of shotgun...eh) but he can ball. Sometimes, it all in a name. If the QB at Texas name was Arch McMillan, nobody would be hyping him up the way that he is...lol.

I agree that an NFL QB first has to play in structure and be elite in structure. But I think NFL DEs and DTs are not so fast and OLs are so bad that to be truly elite you have to be able to play outside of structure and I don't think he's particularly good at that. I think he's a good college QB but I just don't see a lot of upside. When I watch him play I just don't see that "it factor" that you often see in college QBs that make it in the pros and I don't see anything he does that is elite. Seems like a Derek Carr to me. But, hey, I could be wrong.

I do kind of wonder how bad he wants it because he grew up with everything anyone could ever want and has only ever played on teams coached by his dad. I'm not sure if that allowed him the leadership skills, work ethic, and ability to work with coaches that is necessary for every college QB to make it in the pros. But, I don't know him. Maybe he has all those things.

As far as Arch Manning. He's got a lot to prove and I wonder about his upside for some of the same reasons I wonder about Sanders.

 

[No2DC]

Have you seen him throw? He is athletic, has high football IQ, but his arm talent is below rattlers

Yes, he can make all the throws. Not sure what you're talking about.

 

[TruSaint]

Yes, he can make all the throws. Not sure what you're talking about.

As far as arm talent his arm would be average in the NFL. Carr more arm talent than sanders IMO. I’d take Ward all day over sanders

 

[SuperSaint]

Johnson will have his pick of jobs next year.

Why would he ever want to come here?

 

[Dallas_Saint73]

Why would he ever want to come here?

For the "challenge".

 

[SirLoinSaint64]

In today's NFL, I would rather have Milroe than Sanders or Ewers.

 

[St. Widge]

Johnson will have his pick of jobs next year.

Why would he ever want to come here?

Why would he want to go to the Jets or Jacksonville? None of the available jobs are going to be great. It's going to depend on what are the most important things to him.

 

[St. Widge]

In today's NFL, I would rather have Milroe than Sanders or Ewers.

Milroe is wildly inaccurate. Maybe he can learn, but he hasn't improved enough from last year.

 

[syracuse saint]

Why would he want to go to the Jets or Jacksonville? None of the available jobs are going to be great. It's going to depend on what are the most important things to him.

I was just trying to go through the teams that will be shopping for a new head coach for next Season. Can we add Cowboys to the list? Giants? Will Andy Reid retire if he 3 peats? Are there other teams that I missed?

If it were between us, the Jaguars and Jets only, Johnson might stay OC of the Lions LOL.

 

[St. Widge]

I was just trying to go through the teams that will be shopping for a new head coach for next Season. Can we add Cowboys to the list? Giants? Will Andy Reid retire if he 3 peats? Are there other teams that I missed?

If it were between us, the Jaguars and Jets only, Johnson might stay OC of the Lions LOL.

Could be. Not a great list of options. Obviously, K.C. would be a great job, but I'm not sure Andy Reid is going to retire and the Giants and Jets are no better than us and have been worse over the list 5 to 10 years. And no coach wants to deal with Rodgers after he got two head coaches fired so far. And in Dallas you have to deal with Jerry Jones having his hands in everything.

I guess Miami is a possibility, though it would be dumb to fire McDaniel, but they likely have no QB given the Tua situation.

Oh, and if Miami fires McDaniel he should be very high on our list.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

As far as drafting a QB, I'm not sure any are worth consideration outside of Cam Ward. But that's really it. Nuss, Sanders, Ewers, Beck..... all of em not named Ward scream bust potential.

Ward took monster steps between last season and the current, but he also hasn't gone against any good defenses. The best was Virginia Tech, and they're meh. Last season, he went against a couple of good defenses but I'm unsure of his play during those games.

 

[St. Widge]

As far as drafting a QB, I'm not sure any are worth consideration outside of Cam Ward. But that's really it. Nuss, Sanders, Ewers, Beck..... all of em not named Ward scream bust potential.

Ward took monster steps between last season and the current, but he also hasn't gone against any good defenses. The best was Virginia Tech, and they're meh. Last season, he went against a couple of good defenses but I'm unsure of his play during those games.

Ward's completion percentage is a bit scary, he's not great throwing in structure, and as you said he hasn't really played a great defense yet. I think he has the most potential but he still has a long way to go IMO.