What happens to Reggie when Mike Bell returns? (2 Viewers)

[CantonLegend]

PT still can't get the short yardage when it counts. I'll take a swing pass or outside toss to Bush on 3rd and 1 any day over PT up the middle.

im gonna go crazy if another person blames short yardage on the running backs

short yardage is not the running backs responsibility 99.9% of the time

in fact.....when we started gaining serious yardage on the ground.....nobody was touching our running backs until the secondary

the offensive line is almost solely responsible for the success of the running game....running backs are interchangeable with a talented offensive line and PT and mike bell have shown that

 

[meily]

PT looks like the explosive, elusive and dangerous back, not reggie. PT is the one making plays the last 2 games, in both the receiving and rushing game.

So everybody is on a game by game basis, ok I get it....you guys are the only one judging these guys game by game, first Bell was the man, now he's outa sight outa mind, now PT is the man...and Reggie had a pretty good game vs Buffalo and ran well against the Jets, but you have to be a fan of his to give him credit, and your not, so you dont...i'm understanding how this whole thing goes with you Reggie Haters.

 

[EricInCT]

i'd say they both look pretty explosive, elusive and dangerous, but the fact is PT has just gotten more opportunnities. it's easy to look good when you are constantly getting to the 2nd and 3rd levels of the Defense untouched, because our Oline is dominating tired Defenses.

where is that explosion, elusive and dangerous-ness on short yardage carries? PT seems to lack it there.

Let me state the obvious for you:

Heath Evans couldn't pound it in from 1 yard out and drew brees had two attempts to gain 1 yard......do we bench Brees because he is 0-2 on third and fourth down?

You fail to mention (naturally) that on 3rd and 2 PT picked up 8 yards on our first drive and from 1 yard out he scored when they knew we were running it up only 7.

The 4th quarter 4th and inches was a horrible call, a quick QB sneak would have picked up the yardage, still mad at Payton for that call that could have cost us the game.

 

[CantonLegend]

So everybody is on a game by game basis, ok I get it....you guys are the only one judging these guys game by game, first Bell was the man, now he's outa sight outa mind, now PT is the man...and Reggie had a pretty good game vs Buffalo and ran well against the Jets, but you have to be a fan of his to give him credit, and your not, so you dont...i'm understanding how this whole thing goes with you Reggie Haters.

of course its a game by game basis.....if reggie plays well then he is gets credit.....if he struggles then he gets bashed....unfortunately reggie has had more bad games than good ones this season

its not that he isnt talented, because he is very talented....but when you turn the ball over nobody will remember the great plays you made....history has shown that as well

 

[Cuozzo67]

I posted yesterday after the game and mentioned Pierre's fumble and indicated if he continues fumbling, he's going to be on the bench as well. Listen, I think Mike Bell is the most complete back the Saints have. Pierre is not all-world, and most posters are objective and point out his problems as well. His mistakes are there for everyone to see. He was lucky his fumble was recovered yesterday. In the NFL, I don't care how good a back is, if he consistently lays the ball on the carpet, his butt is going to be on the bench. It goes for Reggie, and it goes for Pierre as well.

When Reggie plays well, he'll get the credit he deserves. When he doesn't, he's going to get criticized (and rightly so). Unlike Thomas and Bell, he's a high draft choice and expectations of his play are higher to begin with. Plus, he's continuing to make the same mistakes over and over again.

 

[nsingh93]

i can see reggie developing to be a 3rd down passing back, or being rotated in with Bell and Pierre every now and then for a fresh set of legs.

 

[BigDSaintsFan]

Man, I'm about as big a Reggie guy as there is, but even I have to admit that it would seem silly to keep forcing him into the game with a healthy Mike Bell and Pierre Thomas available.

PT has been so good that I suppose a case could be made to keep him as the primary back, but from what we've seen so far this year I'd argue for:

1st down: Bell
2nd down: Bell and Thomas split equally
3rd Down: Thomas mostly - a little Reggie

I would not be shocked to see Reggie's playing time be greatly diminished once we have a full stable of backs again.

Bottom line is that Reggie will almost certainly not be back next year unless he agrees to a MASSIVE pay cut.

Nothing happens to Reggie. He will get his normal touches.

 

[SpinnerSaint]

Reggie has regressed? he has his higest YPC since he's been in the league. the only thing that has regressed is his carries cause we are playing with leads more now and have been going with the bigger back option to wear teams out in the 2nd half.

3 fumbles in four games is a regression, especially compared to last year. He's always had ball security problems, but the fact that it's still a problem in his 4th year in the league indicates a regression for the mere fact of failure to improve/fix this problem during his time in the league.

I understand his ypc is 4.1 so far and was pleased with his decisions running the ball yesterday, but please stop fumbling. And yes I'm aware that Pierre fumbled as well and I'm equally as displeased with it yesterday. But as a whole, Pierre hasn't had nearly the ball security problems that reggie has had, which is why people aren't jumping all over him (yet).

 

[DavidM]

I posted yesterday after the game and mentioned Pierre's fumble and indicated if he continues fumbling, he's going to be on the bench as well. Listen, I think Mike Bell is the most complete back the Saints have. Pierre is not all-world, and most posters are objective and point out his problems as well. His mistakes are there for everyone to see. He was lucky his fumble was recovered yesterday. In the NFL, I don't care how good a back is, if he consistently lays the ball on the carpet, his butt is going to be on the bench. It goes for Reggie, and it goes for Pierre as well.

That was Pierre's second fumble as an NFL player.

He's credited with 0 fumbles in three seasons at Illinois.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=145959

 

[CHI-TOWNSAINT]

of course its a game by game basis.....if reggie plays well then he is gets credit.....if he struggles then he gets bashed....unfortunately reggie has had more bad games than good ones this season

its not that he isnt talented, because he is very talented....but when you turn the ball over nobody will remember the great plays you made....history has shown that as well

At worst Reggie has had 2 bad and 2 good. IMO, he's had 1 bad and 3 good, but either way he hasn't had more bad games than he's had good this year. Just sayin'

Bad:
Detroit - 2 YPC
Philly - 3.3 YPC(IMO, can go either way...the 3 runs when we were backed up distorted his production in this game)

Good:
Bills - 4.9 YPC
Jets - 6.2 YPC

 

[ScottRay504]

is ther any way we can stop some of these thread. Like a automatic ban if you start any thread that deals with PT vs Reggie , or those kind of threads. People we are 4-0 can we just enjoy how the team is playing.

It's a forum, we discuss things here.

 

[meily]

of course its a game by game basis.....if reggie plays well then he is gets credit.....if he struggles then he gets bashed....unfortunately reggie has had more bad games than good ones this season

its not that he isnt talented, because he is very talented....but when you turn the ball over nobody will remember the great plays you made....history has shown that as well

Dude, there is a Reggie thread bashing him after every game, he had to solid games back to back but there are threads disecting his play giving everybody around him credit for a play he makes, "if it wasnt for such and such" or "the hole was so open he should of made that play..." why are you guys trying to act like your being fair in your assesment of Bush? Pierre couldnt gain an inch vs the Jets in the first half...nobody said a word, Bush was making the plays in the run game vs the Jets, but then he fumbles and everything since then has been about that...give me a break, yall are sad...

 

[Wheelo]

To the OP, nothing will happen to Reggie's touches. Nothing.

We should all be laughing at how we have three potential studs at running back, but instead we have a three paged garbage thread about RB vs. RB vs. RB.... Our running backs are doing excellent and we are 4-0 because of it.

 

[CantonLegend]

Dude, there is a Reggie thread bashing him after every game, he had to solid games back to back but there are threads disecting his play giving everybody around him credit for a play he makes, "if it wasnt for such and such" or "the hole was so open he should of made that play..." why are you guys trying to act like your being fair in your assesment of Bush? Pierre couldnt gain an inch vs the Jets in the first half...nobody said a word, Bush was making the plays in the run game vs the Jets, but then he fumbles and everything since then has been about that...give me a break, yall are sad...

go back and tell me where i said PT was so much better than bush.........go back and tell me i didnt give credit to the offensive line......you are talking to the wrong poster about stuff like that

the running game relies so heavily on the offensive line, but the ball carriers get all the attention because they are the ones that score....PT didnt get touched until the second level late in the game but earlier he had no help and had very little yardage because of it

im being completely fair in this because despite his rushing yardage, he still manages to give the ball back to the other team and like i said before....no matter how well you play in a game...you will always be remembered for the mistakes and reggie is becoming notorious for turnin the ball over

you are clearly the one being so blatently optomistic about a player that has turned the ball over as many times in 4 games this year as he did the entire season last year....and he is getting less touches than last year

he had 83 touches on offense last year in the first 4 games
this year he only has 50 touches with 3 fumbles

 

[EricInCT]

Reggie has 60 touches (36 rushing, 14 rec, 10 returning) he has one TD on the highest scoring offense in the NFL.....coming into week 4 we were the third highest scoring offense of ALL TIME after 3 weeks.

Be worried.