Question What is the ceiling of any of the new head coaches, if Mickey Loomis is retained as GM (1 Viewer)

[liveoakh]

I am really concerned with any of the HC possibilities with Mickey Loomis at the helm. I think they all require a very hands on GM to be a successful SB contender.

 

[St. Widge]

Yay, our first new fire Mickey Loomis thread of February.

The ceiling is the same thing that happened when Loomis was the GM with Payton as HC and the floor is a new GM in two or three years. There is no way to predict the results.

Loomis has many issues but his biggest strength and weakness is that he gives his HC what he wants. It's the reason from moves like Davenport and Carr. But, it's also the reason for moves like trading up for Kamara. So, if he gets the right HC, which he has done one time and failed to do another time, the ceiling is winning the Super Bowl. But, if he gets it wrong, the floor is Dennis Allen and this year.

 

[Deuuuuce]

I’ve been very critical of Loomis, but he has proven he and his staff can put together some all time great draft classes. With the way our roster is at the moment though, we will need a couple of home run drafts in a row before the new coach really has a chance at contending for a title.

If Moore is indeed the guy, then he will have to understand the situation and make decisions with the future in mind. Do I wish we had a GM the caliber of Howie Roseman? Of course, but it’s not completely hopeless with Loomis.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

another fire loomis thread disguised a hypothetical, disguised as a black man, disguised as robert downey jr

 

[liveoakh]

another fire loomis thread disguised a hypothetical, disguised as a black man, disguised as robert downey jr

You had this same smartly attitude when I was saying fire DA in his 2nd yr. How did that work out?

 

[Deuuuuce]

You had this same smartly attitude when I was saying fire DA in his 2nd yr. How did that work out?

I think most SR wants Loomis fired but have accepted it will never happen.

 

[St. Widge]

I think most SR wants Loomis fired but have accepted it will never happen.

Sort of. I want a new GM but I know if won't happen in the next couple years. But, it could happen if he gets this HC hire wrong. In fact if he gets it wrong I would expect that a new GM will pick the next HC.

At the same point, Loomis has gotten the job done before and can get it done again. It's not like he forgot how to GM. I'm not particularly optimistic, but there is no point in continuing to cry about wanting a new GM. We just have to see if Loomis can turn it around.

 

[Elvis]

No person in the front office creates a ceiling for the teams success. What those people DO absolutely can create a ceiling. Loomis has not been a bad GM for his entire tenure with the Saints. He's been here 22 years and has been with the team during it's best ever era. But he's been pretty bad the last 5 years. I believe he didn't manage the Sean Payton situation very well. I believe he's done a poor job with building the roster through the draft. I believe he's done a terrible job with the cap. That does not mean he can't fix those things. He can do a better job with the next coach, he can do a better job with building the team with drafted players and he can get the cap in order. He has to choose to do those things, but he's not incapable and there is no ceiling with him because he has shown he can be part of a group of executives and coaches that can get the team to the highest place.

 

[St.Fury]

I am really concerned with any of the HC possibilities with Mickey Loomis at the helm. I think they all require a very hands on GM to be a successful SB contender.

It’s like some of you forgot we’ve already won a SB with Loomis as GM. That’s literally our ceiling.


I don’t know where this narrative that Loomis can’t be a good GM comes from. You may not like his salary cap management style, but some of that is finding ways to keep players the coaches want to retain. He was doing his job.

 

[TribuneUK]

I am determined not to be happy with the HC appointment, whoever it is, and have identified dissatisfaction with the GM as the perfect excuse for this. Please vote accordingly in the poll to agree with me.

 

[Snakehead]

Stupid forking question. We already know the answer to this question.

Super Bowl.

New month, new day, same forking Loomis bashing threads.

 

[livefromDC]

Yay, our first new fire Mickey Loomis thread of February.

The ceiling is the same thing that happened when Loomis was the GM with Payton as HC and the floor is a new GM in two or three years. There is no way to predict the results.

Loomis has many issues but his biggest strength and weakness is that he gives his HC what he wants. It's the reason from moves like Davenport and Carr. But, it's also the reason for moves like trading up for Kamara. So, if he gets the right HC, which he has done one time and failed to do another time, the ceiling is winning the Super Bowl. But, if he gets it wrong, the floor is Dennis Allen and this year.

Yeah, say what you want about Loomis not realizing when it was time to move on from DA. Say what you want about what it may have cost the Saints going into the season with a head coach who CLEARY didn't have what it takes to be a head coach. But as far as GM's go, he's the type of GM most fans should love.

1.) He listens to the coach and staff regarding personnel. As long as he hires people who know what they're doing, this is a good a thing. He's not getting in the way on the field like Jerry Jones does to the Cowboys or Bill O'brien did for the Texans.

2.) He's willing to spend money. There's plenty of fandoms wasting away with owners/GMs who only have excuses when it comes to the purse strings. If the coach wants something, he'll pay for it. He'll find a way. I know plenty of fans that wish their GMs had the pull Loomis has to spend money where it's needed. That's never been a problem under Loomis. The Steelers could be 1 player away and that player could be begging to playing in Pittsburgh, but if he cost too much, it's not happening. I remember those years when we all wanted the Saints to go get a type flight WR, it wasn't because Loomis wasn't willing. It was because Payton was convinced he didn't need to do it. See #1. He'll go get a player AND he'll spend to keep a player. Which brings me to #3.

3.) There's some fans that get to see their best players walk away to other teams year after year. They can't build talent because they're never retaining talent. He's a far cry from the Raiders in that department. The Saints do as good as job as any team in retaining their players ESPECIALLY if the coach wants to keep them in New Orleans.

I get the slack Loomis is catching right now. It was painfully obvious DA was horrible and he didn't budge, was forced to do it even. But that's behind the Saints now. In choosing Moore, he's shown me that he's still willing to push to win. I'm absolutely ecstatic that he decided to take the risk on a long term solution for the head coaching job than go with the MM stopgap solution. Going with Moore tells me that Loomis isn't settling for the quick, lazy path. He's looking at the long term despite the possibility it could be bumpier. As long as he has the right guy, Loomis can make it happen.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

I am really concerned with any of the HC possibilities with Mickey Loomis at the helm. I think they all require a very hands on GM to be a successful SB contender.

This whole premise is ridiculously stupid.

 

[Elvis]

Stupid forking question. We already know the answer to this question.

Super Bowl.

New month, new day, same forking Loomis bashing threads.

Do you honestly believe Loomis has had a great last 5 years as GM? Do you think it's crazy that some people have a problem with what he's done the last 5 years and want to talk about it?

It's not personal. He hasn't done a good job recently. When he was crushing it people had "Make It Happen Loomis" T-Shirts made. I bought one and wore it for years. But that was then and now it's different.

 

[Hubig]

Call me an idiot but if the unthinkable happens and Moore decides to pull out at the 11th hour. I fully expect Mickey to be fired. If that doesn't happen, this is an unserious franchise.

I never thought he would back out or if it was even a question. I think they've had a wink wink deal in place and played this out as if he was taking this job for at least a week now.