Question What More Must Taysom Hill Do Before He Retires To Be Considered An NFL Hall Of Fame Player? (3 Viewers)

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Artifactual said:
Devin Hester was inducted into the NFL HOF. He was a One Trick Pony. An Excellent Return Specialist. An ordinary average position player as a WR only.

He doesn't hold or share 36 NFL Records (and counting) as Taysom Hill does which are varying and unique.

Every NFL Record held by Devin Hester relates specifically to being a return specialist.

1. Most special teams touchdowns in a career: 20 ( 14 punts, 6 kickoffs, and 1 missed field goal.)

2. Most non-offensive TDs in a career: 20.

3. Most kickoff and punt return TDs in a career: 19.

4. Most punt return TDs in a career: 14.

5. Most punt return TDs in a season: 4 (2007)

6. Most kickoff return TDs for a game: 2 - Tied

7. Most combined return TDs in a season: 6 (2007, 2 kickoffs, 4 punts)

8. Most rookie combined return TDs in a season: 5 (2006, 3 punt, 2 kickoffs.)

9. Most combined return TDs in a game: 2 kickoffs (12/11/06), 1 punt, 1 kickoff (11/25/07)

10. Most non-offensive TDs in a season: 6, twice - 3 punts, 2 kickoffs, 1 missed field goal (2006), 4 punts, 2 kickoffs (2007)

11. Fastest TD in Super Bowl History: 14 seconds.

12. First Super Bowl opening kick returned for a TD: Super Bowl XLI, 92 yards.


The NFL Hall of Fame has broadened their scope of players deserving of induction. Devin Hester was just inducted into the NFL HOF in 2024.

It's not beyond reason that Taysom Hill will be considered to be inducted into the NFL HOF based on the many unique NFL Records he holds or shares.
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Out of curiosity, do you also believe that former Bills special teams ace Steve Tasker, who played for Buffalo from 1986-97, also belongs consideration into Canton? He was sorta his generation's version of Taysom Hill as this all-around "utility player"--Punt returner, special teams ace, occasional WR, back-up CB or DB from time-to-time. Didnt put up the same offensive numbers as Hill has, but he excelled in a wide range of positions that has made Hil unique and special.
 
Rouxble said:
Easley is 11th overall for DB's on PFR's Hall of Fame Monitor. His score is boosted by five pro bowls, three first team AP selections, and a DPOY award. Hill doesn't have those types of accolades on his resume.
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Lets also keep in mind that if he hadn't had a pretty serious career (and potentially life-threatening) injury that forced his early retirement after the 1987 season, Easley easily plays another 4-5 seasons and retires in the early 90's with far more career INT's, deflected passes, tackles, and Pro-Bowl selections. I also think the Seahawks wouldve remained a more competitive, playoff-caliber team if he'd remained instead of their secondary and entire defense just collapsing by 1992 and it took that organization almost a decade, with a new owner, new HC, a near-relocation to Anaheim to remake itself into a perennial playoff contender.
 
Saintman2884 said:
Out of curiosity, do you also believe that former Bills special teams ace Steve Tasker, who played for Buffalo from 1986-97, also belongs consideration into Canton? He was sorta his generation's version of Taysom Hill as this all-around "utility player"--Punt returner, special teams ace, occasional WR, back-up CB or DB from time-to-time. Didnt put up the same offensive numbers as Hill has, but he excelled in a wide range of positions that has made Hil unique and special.
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Indeed, I predict the list of career highlights and awards for Taysom Hill will read much the same way Steve Tasker's does. Team-specific honors, but not Canton, Ohio......

Steve Tasker - Wikipedia

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Saintman2884 said:
Out of curiosity, do you also believe that former Bills special teams ace Steve Tasker, who played for Buffalo from 1986-97, also belongs consideration into Canton? He was sorta his generation's version of Taysom Hill as this all-around "utility player"--Punt returner, special teams ace, occasional WR, back-up CB or DB from time-to-time. Didnt put up the same offensive numbers as Hill has, but he excelled in a wide range of positions that has made Hil unique and special.
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Tasker was primarily a Special Teams player that filled in some when injuries struck. Taysom hill has more rushing yards last week than tasker had in his career. He didn't "excell" at a wide range of anything.

He was an All-Pro Special teams gunner. He was like 5'7" and like 175 pounds. Never really played any Running back, took an end around or two cause he was fast.

He only played a little bit WR for like 2 seasons late in his career cause Andre Reed got hurt one season and Quinn Early got hurt the next season and the Bill ran a 4WR set.

This is a HORRIBLE comparison.
 
Saintman2884 said:
Out of curiosity, do you also believe that former Bills special teams ace Steve Tasker, who played for Buffalo from 1986-97, also belongs consideration into Canton? He was sorta his generation's version of Taysom Hill as this all-around "utility player"--Punt returner, special teams ace, occasional WR, back-up CB or DB from time-to-time. Didnt put up the same offensive numbers as Hill has, but he excelled in a wide range of positions that has made Hil unique and special.
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I spent more hours than I'm willing to admit putting together my OP making certain it is factually correct.

If you or anyone else here will take the time to look up all of Steve Taskers Career accomplishments, I will gladly review each and every one of them.

I certainly remember and watched Steve Tasker play. He was a very good Special Teams Player and was limited in use as a position player. I liked him.

If Steve Tasker holds or shares At Least 36 NFL Records as Taysom Hill does, I'll gladly put him in the same conversation.
 
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SWJJ said:
Tasker was primarily a Special Teams player that filled in some when injuries struck. Taysom hill has more rushing yards last week than tasker had in his career. He didn't "excell" at a wide range of anything.

He was an All-Pro Special teams gunner. He was like 5'7" and like 175 pounds. Never really played any Running back, took an end around or two cause he was fast.

He only played a little bit WR for like 2 seasons late in his career cause Andre Reed got hurt one season and Quinn Early got hurt the next season and the Bill ran a 4WR set.

This is a HORRIBLE comparison.
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Except when he did fill in when injuries occured to some Bills WR's, he actually looked halfway decent doing it. He also occasionally was used as a punt returner.

Its not a perfect comparison, but it's not a HORRIBLE comparison because both Tasker and Hill were both "utility players" used at different positions. Its just Hill has excelled at more positions and has more yards on offense then Tasker did.

BTW, Tasker had arguably a HOF-caliber career yet your histrionics make it seem like he was average or was a one-dimensional player. He wasn't and he was a good utility position player for his time and era.
 
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Artifactual said:
I spent more hours than I'm willing to admit putting together my OP making certain it is factually correct.

If you or anyone else here will take the time to look up all of Steve Taskers Career accomplishments, I will gladly review each and every one of them.

If Steve Tasker holds or shares At Least 36 NFL Records as Taysom Hill does, I'll gladly put him in the same conversation.
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Well, Tasker was a five-time All-Pro mostly ST/occasional WR, punt returner and 7-time Pro Bowler overall throughout his 12-year career. He's been inducted into the Buffalo Bills Wall of Fame and he's considered one of their 50th best players in franchise history. He was part of 4 consecutive Bills teams to play and lose in a Super Bowl. He's considered one of the best special teams players of all-time and has been on the NFL's HOF semi-finalist list for induction since late 2000's.
 
Saintman2884 said:
Except when he did fill in when injuries occured to some Bills WR's, he actually looked halfway decent doing it. He also occasionally was used as a punt returner.

Its not a perfect comparison, but it's not a HORRIBLE comparison because both Tasker and Hill were both "utility players" used at different positions. Its just Hill has excelled at more positions and has more yards on offense then Tasker did.

BTW, Tasker had arguably a HOF-caliber career yet your histrionics make it seem like he sucked or was a one-dimensional player. He wasn't and he was a very good utility position player for his time and era.
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Tasker was NOT a Utility player.

this is a HUGE stretch.

Tasker was an all time great special teamer 7 probowls and several all pro selection, but he was NOT a utility player.

He played TWO games ever on defense, at dime corner back, after a bunch of injuries, and one of those was against Warren Moon who LIT HIM UP. He absolutely did NOT "EXCELL"

He has 0 tackles on defense in his CAREER, no pass break ups, no interceptions. How is that excelling?!?! All he did was get burned by Haywood Jefferies.

He was absolutely 1-dimensional. He was a special teams guru.

Outside of special teams he did NOTHING of significance.
 
Saintman2884 said:
Well, Tasker was a five-time All-Pro mostly ST/occasional WR, punt returner and 7-time Pro Bowler overall throughout his 12-year career. He's been inducted into the Buffalo Bills Wall of Fame and he's considered one of their 50th best players in franchise history. He was part of 4 consecutive Bills teams to play and lose in a Super Bowl. He's considered one of the best special teams players of all-time and has been on the NFL's HOF semi-finalist list for induction since late 2000's.
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I liked Steve Tasker as a Special Teams Player and rooted for him when he got his occasional opportunities at WR.

Those are all very good accomplishments. The 5 Time All-Pro nod is the most impressive. However, you didn't list a single NFL Record for review. :unsure:

Pro Bowls are widely viewed as popularity contests. Many players get voted to the Pro Bowl over and over on name recognition alone, especially those in large markets. Not saying Buffalo is a large market. It's similar to New Orleans. However, being seen by every NFL fan in the World playing in 4 consecutive Super Bowls certainly helps fan recognition. The Bills had a heck of a run during that era. Most NFL fans recognized as many Bills players as their home team players.

More to your point, if Steve Tasker has been on the NFL's HOF Semi-Finalists List for Induction since the late 2000s that bodes well for Taysom Hill once he retires.
 
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12 year career, 51 catches for 779 yards, 20 carries for 130 is absolutely NOT "excelling" at multiple things.

I was wrong about 1 thing tho:


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He does have 1 career tackle on defense.


Yes, he's an all-time great special teamer, but he cant even hold Taysom' jockstrap when it comes to being a "utility player"

So again, this was a HORRIBLE comparison.
 
SWJJ said:
Tasker was NOT a Utility player.

this is a HUGE stretch.

Tasker was an all time great special teamer 7 probowls and several all pro selection, but he was NOT a utility player.

He played TWO games ever on defense, at dime corner back, after a bunch of injuries, and one of those was against Warren Moon who LIT HIM UP. He absolutely did NOT "EXCELL"

He has 0 tackles on defense in his CAREER, no pass break ups, no interceptions. How is that excelling?!?! All he did was get burned by Haywood Jefferies.

He was absolutely 1-dimensional. He was a special teams guru.

Outside of special teams he did NOTHING of significance.
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The fact that he was used as a utility player does mean something, even if it was sparingly and done mostly after other Bills players had been injured. I never said he was great at it or performed as well as Hill has, but he was used as a utility player during his era some times.

BTW, Warren Moon lit up a lot of opposing DB's. CB's, and secondaries throughout his long career in the CFL and NFL careers, some of whom (Rod Woodson, Kenny Easley, Steve Atwater, IMHO) are now in Canton or should be. Running essentially the "Greatest Show on Turf" run and shoot offense for its time with the Oilers pretty much ensured most opposing DB's and CB's were going to be burned alive by that offense. Warren Moon could make a lot of otherwise very good, or great secondaries look pathetic or ineffective.
 

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