Question What More Must Taysom Hill Do Before He Retires To Be Considered An NFL Hall Of Fame Player? (15 Viewers)

[SWJJ]

Out of curiosity, do you also believe that former Bills special teams ace Steve Tasker, who played for Buffalo from 1986-97, also belongs consideration into Canton? He was sorta his generation's version of Taysom Hill as this all-around "utility player"--Punt returner, special teams ace, occasional WR, back-up CB or DB from time-to-time. Didnt put up the same offensive numbers as Hill has, but he excelled in a wide range of positions that has made Hil unique and special.

Tasker was primarily a Special Teams player that filled in some when injuries struck. Taysom hill has more rushing yards last week than tasker had in his career. He didn't "excell" at a wide range of anything.

He was an All-Pro Special teams gunner. He was like 5'7" and like 175 pounds. Never really played any Running back, took an end around or two cause he was fast.

He only played a little bit WR for like 2 seasons late in his career cause Andre Reed got hurt one season and Quinn Early got hurt the next season and the Bill ran a 4WR set.

This is a HORRIBLE comparison.

 

[Artifactual]

Out of curiosity, do you also believe that former Bills special teams ace Steve Tasker, who played for Buffalo from 1986-97, also belongs consideration into Canton? He was sorta his generation's version of Taysom Hill as this all-around "utility player"--Punt returner, special teams ace, occasional WR, back-up CB or DB from time-to-time. Didnt put up the same offensive numbers as Hill has, but he excelled in a wide range of positions that has made Hil unique and special.

I spent more hours than I'm willing to admit putting together my OP making certain it is factually correct.

If you or anyone else here will take the time to look up all of Steve Taskers Career accomplishments, I will gladly review each and every one of them.

I certainly remember and watched Steve Tasker play. He was a very good Special Teams Player and was limited in use as a position player. I liked him.

If Steve Tasker holds or shares At Least 36 NFL Records as Taysom Hill does, I'll gladly put him in the same conversation.

 

[Saintman2884]

Tasker was primarily a Special Teams player that filled in some when injuries struck. Taysom hill has more rushing yards last week than tasker had in his career. He didn't "excell" at a wide range of anything.

He was an All-Pro Special teams gunner. He was like 5'7" and like 175 pounds. Never really played any Running back, took an end around or two cause he was fast.

He only played a little bit WR for like 2 seasons late in his career cause Andre Reed got hurt one season and Quinn Early got hurt the next season and the Bill ran a 4WR set.

This is a HORRIBLE comparison.

Except when he did fill in when injuries occured to some Bills WR's, he actually looked halfway decent doing it. He also occasionally was used as a punt returner.

Its not a perfect comparison, but it's not a HORRIBLE comparison because both Tasker and Hill were both "utility players" used at different positions. Its just Hill has excelled at more positions and has more yards on offense then Tasker did.

BTW, Tasker had arguably a HOF-caliber career yet your histrionics make it seem like he was average or was a one-dimensional player. He wasn't and he was a good utility position player for his time and era.

 

[Saintman2884]

I spent more hours than I'm willing to admit putting together my OP making certain it is factually correct.

If you or anyone else here will take the time to look up all of Steve Taskers Career accomplishments, I will gladly review each and every one of them.

If Steve Tasker holds or shares At Least 36 NFL Records as Taysom Hill does, I'll gladly put him in the same conversation.

Well, Tasker was a five-time All-Pro mostly ST/occasional WR, punt returner and 7-time Pro Bowler overall throughout his 12-year career. He's been inducted into the Buffalo Bills Wall of Fame and he's considered one of their 50th best players in franchise history. He was part of 4 consecutive Bills teams to play and lose in a Super Bowl. He's considered one of the best special teams players of all-time and has been on the NFL's HOF semi-finalist list for induction since late 2000's.

 

[Covington Saint]

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[SWJJ]

Except when he did fill in when injuries occured to some Bills WR's, he actually looked halfway decent doing it. He also occasionally was used as a punt returner.

Its not a perfect comparison, but it's not a HORRIBLE comparison because both Tasker and Hill were both "utility players" used at different positions. Its just Hill has excelled at more positions and has more yards on offense then Tasker did.

BTW, Tasker had arguably a HOF-caliber career yet your histrionics make it seem like he sucked or was a one-dimensional player. He wasn't and he was a very good utility position player for his time and era.

Tasker was NOT a Utility player.

this is a HUGE stretch.

Tasker was an all time great special teamer 7 probowls and several all pro selection, but he was NOT a utility player.

He played TWO games ever on defense, at dime corner back, after a bunch of injuries, and one of those was against Warren Moon who LIT HIM UP. He absolutely did NOT "EXCELL"

He has 0 tackles on defense in his CAREER, no pass break ups, no interceptions. How is that excelling?!?! All he did was get burned by Haywood Jefferies.

He was absolutely 1-dimensional. He was a special teams guru.

Outside of special teams he did NOTHING of significance.

 

[Artifactual]

Well, Tasker was a five-time All-Pro mostly ST/occasional WR, punt returner and 7-time Pro Bowler overall throughout his 12-year career. He's been inducted into the Buffalo Bills Wall of Fame and he's considered one of their 50th best players in franchise history. He was part of 4 consecutive Bills teams to play and lose in a Super Bowl. He's considered one of the best special teams players of all-time and has been on the NFL's HOF semi-finalist list for induction since late 2000's.

I liked Steve Tasker as a Special Teams Player and rooted for him when he got his occasional opportunities at WR.

Those are all very good accomplishments. The 5 Time All-Pro nod is the most impressive. However, you didn't list a single NFL Record for review.

Pro Bowls are widely viewed as popularity contests. Many players get voted to the Pro Bowl over and over on name recognition alone, especially those in large markets. Not saying Buffalo is a large market. It's similar to New Orleans. However, being seen by every NFL fan in the World playing in 4 consecutive Super Bowls certainly helps fan recognition. The Bills had a heck of a run during that era. Most NFL fans recognized as many Bills players as their home team players.

More to your point, if Steve Tasker has been on the NFL's HOF Semi-Finalists List for Induction since the late 2000s that bodes well for Taysom Hill once he retires.

 

[SWJJ]

12 year career, 51 catches for 779 yards, 20 carries for 130 is absolutely NOT "excelling" at multiple things.

I was wrong about 1 thing tho:




He does have 1 career tackle on defense.


Yes, he's an all-time great special teamer, but he cant even hold Taysom' jockstrap when it comes to being a "utility player"

So again, this was a HORRIBLE comparison.

 

[RaginCajun83]

To me Hill is like Hester, one of one. NFL will probably never see players of their skill sets again

 

[JPSaints87]

To one who created this outstanding TH's historic facts thread, FANTASTIC JOB!!! Most of these facts I didn't even know. MUCH RESPECT to you

 

[Saintman2884]

Tasker was NOT a Utility player.

this is a HUGE stretch.

Tasker was an all time great special teamer 7 probowls and several all pro selection, but he was NOT a utility player.

He played TWO games ever on defense, at dime corner back, after a bunch of injuries, and one of those was against Warren Moon who LIT HIM UP. He absolutely did NOT "EXCELL"

He has 0 tackles on defense in his CAREER, no pass break ups, no interceptions. How is that excelling?!?! All he did was get burned by Haywood Jefferies.

He was absolutely 1-dimensional. He was a special teams guru.

Outside of special teams he did NOTHING of significance.

The fact that he was used as a utility player does mean something, even if it was sparingly and done mostly after other Bills players had been injured. I never said he was great at it or performed as well as Hill has, but he was used as a utility player during his era some times.

BTW, Warren Moon lit up a lot of opposing DB's. CB's, and secondaries throughout his long career in the CFL and NFL careers, some of whom (Rod Woodson, Kenny Easley, Steve Atwater, IMHO) are now in Canton or should be. Running essentially the "Greatest Show on Turf" run and shoot offense for its time with the Oilers pretty much ensured most opposing DB's and CB's were going to be burned alive by that offense. Warren Moon could make a lot of otherwise very good, or great secondaries look pathetic or ineffective.

 

[Saintman2884]

12 year career, 51 catches for 779 yards, 20 carries for 130 is absolutely NOT "excelling" at multiple things.

I was wrong about 1 thing tho:




He does have 1 career tackle on defense.


Yes, he's an all-time great special teamer, but he cant even hold Taysom' jockstrap when it comes to being a "utility player"

So again, this was a HORRIBLE comparison.

The Buffalo Bills and Marv Levy must have had some sort of faith in him to use him as one, even if it was sparingly and he wasnt nearly as effective or good as Taysom but he was used as a "utility player" whether we agree he was a terrible one.

 

[GeneHansen]

Kordell "Slash" Stewart...
Career Passing: 14,746 yards, 77 TD
Career Rushing: 2,874 yards, 38 TD
Career Receiving: 658 yards, 5 TD
The only reason his receiving numbers weren't higher is because he became the Steelers QB1.

If I'm a HOF voter, as amazing as Taysom is, I start thinking about all of the guys who could've done what he does if they had not become good QBs (Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, Lamar Jackson, Donovan McNabb, Archie Manning), decent enough QBs to be starters (Justin Fields, Vince Young, Kordell Stewart, Ryan Tannehill, Aaron Brooks) or the guys who wouldn't by into moving from QB (Tim Tebow, Scott Frost)... and it would be hard for me to vote Taysom into the HOF.

 

[TribuneUK]

There's always That Guy that can't wait to get on the elevator full of people and let out a big stinker.

I knew you would show up to drop one sooner or later. And I'm expecting a few others to do the same.

You know, if you don't like the threads I start you don't have to click on them. Maybe it would be best for both of us if you just ignored me and/or my posts.

There's a button for that.

Have A Great Day, if you possibly can.

A counter suggestion: Don't open a topic with the idea that no one should ever dare to dissent with your undertaking of yet another fawning essay on your idol.

That's not how forums work.

If you struggle to receive criticism, then take the opportunity to develop your resilience.

 

[Saintman2884]

I liked Steve Tasker as a Special Teams Player and rooted for him when he got his occasional opportunities at WR.

Those are all very good accomplishments. The 5 Time All-Pro nod is the most impressive. However, you didn't list a single NFL Record for review.

Pro Bowls are widely viewed as popularity contests. Many players get voted to the Pro Bowl over and over on name recognition alone, especially those in large markets. Not saying Buffalo is a large market. It's similar to New Orleans. However, being seen by every NFL fan in the World playing in 4 consecutive Super Bowls certainly helps fan recognition. The Bills had a heck of a run during that era. Most NFL fans recognized as many Bills players as their home team players.

More to your point, if Steve Tasker has been on the NFL's HOF Semi-Finalists List for Induction since the late 2000s that bodes well for Taysom Hill once he retires.

Taysom Hill hasn't been voted to one Pro Bowl as far as I know, much less been made any ALL-Pro team once, whereas Tasker has 7 Pro Bowl nods and 5 All-Pro selections, respectively. You might discount the Pro Bowl today as more of a popularity contest and you'd have a good argument, but 35 years ago, that wasnt necessarily the case and most Pro Bowlers who were voted were selected on individual, statistical achievements with some large market favoritism added in from time-to-time. In the late 80's-early 90's, the Pro Bowl in old Aloha Stadium was seen and played with a lot more seriousness, intensity, and effort then the Carnival Series its turned into now.