With the 9th Pick in the 2025 draft, who should the Saints select? (merged) (24 Viewers)

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Painkiller said:
We need to get to (depending upon which website you ask) $52-59MM in cuts just to break even. Which means we'll have to clear out even more, if we want to make any moves.

And if we get to that point, we'll have some significant roster holes to fill, since we'll have had to make some difficult cuts.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's a monumental task. And the situation Loomis has put us in certainly points more to our not being in Win Now than it does to making some roster moves to make it happen.
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I’m not guessing. I’ve done the exercise, many have. These are facts I am stating to you.

Whether or not the team elects to do it is another story, but from a pure math standpoint, the statement I made is accurate….we can clear the $50m deficit AND add approximately $40m in cap space if we so choose.

It’s not a “monumental task.” People act like the team hasn’t been aware of exactly where its cap is this whole time or like they’re going to be scrambling to figure out how to get under. These things are all planned out in advance, we just need to turn in the paperwork as to what our intentions are.

Maybe we slow play it like last year and only open up the space we need as we need it, but who knows. The capacity is there though.
 
tenordas said:
I agree it makes zero sense to draft a QB with the lackluster prospects of this draft, but I'll add that even if we ARE in win now mode, it still makes no sense because none of the ones in this class could help us do that.
Every one of them is a prospect at best, and IMHO, almost all, if not all, of them will have short starting stints and within a couple of years either be backups or out of the league.
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And therefore use this draft to build the pieces around which Carr and his successor can achieve some success. We want to avoid repeating his brother’s fate where he wasn’t provided the tools to succeed (as I understand it). I might be in the minority in believing that Carr can serve for a year or two until we can find a younger replacement. He’s not Heath Shuler.
 
AARPSaint said:
And therefore use this draft to build the pieces around which Carr and his successor can achieve some success. We want to avoid repeating his brother’s fate where he wasn’t provided the tools to succeed (as I understand it). I might be in the minority in believing that Carr can serve for a year or two until we can find a younger replacement. He’s not Heath Shuler.
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Judging from the statements Loomis has made this is the path I anticipate him to take.
 
St. Geezy said:
I’m not guessing. I’ve done the exercise, many have. These are facts I am stating to you.

Whether or not the team elects to do it is another story, but from a pure math standpoint, the statement I made is accurate….we can clear the $50m deficit AND add approximately $40m in cap space if we so choose.

It’s not a “monumental task.” People act like the team hasn’t been aware of exactly where its cap is this whole time or like they’re going to be scrambling to figure out how to get under. These things are all planned out in advance, we just need to turn in the paperwork as to what our intentions are.

Maybe we slow play it like last year and only open up the space we need as we need it, but who knows. The capacity is there though.
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I would need to see the simulated moves you referenced before making any judgement, but I remain skeptical that we can a) make moves which will clear out that $52-59MM cap space; and b) clear out another $40MM in cap space, while c) keeping enough of a competitive core intact so that we can add players via the draft and via FA which would make us contenders (and, hence, put us in Win Now mode).

It sounds like you've seen some of these proposals elsewhere. Mind pointing me to a few of them?
 
Painkiller said:
I would need to see the simulated moves you referenced before making any judgement, but I remain skeptical that we can a) make moves which will clear out that $52-59MM cap space; and b) clear out another $40MM in cap space, while c) keeping enough of a competitive core intact so that we can add players via the draft and via FA which would make us contenders (and, hence, put us in Win Now mode).

It sounds like you've seen some of these proposals elsewhere. Mind pointing me to a few of them?
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I don’t have access to my computer at the moment to where I can break it all down for you, but I’d suggest giving the OTC calculator a try.

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Daniel Jeremiah has the Saints picking Mykel Williams. If at first you don’t succeed……..
 
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Bayou_City said:
Mason Graham is gonna be another Bresee....smh....y'all gonna learn....

We need a run stopper not a DT that can only play on passing downs especially drafted in the 1st rounds...but we shall see.....smh
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I dont know as much as many here, but ive seen it stated (and it makes sense) that big NT/0-tech DTs should not be drafted in the first round, especially early in the first.

The reasoning is that teams spend ~70% of downs in nickel or some other pass defense set up. Your big run stopping DT would normally be on the bench for most of those plays.

The reasoning seems sound to me that any player you draft that early, especially top 10, should be a player you expect to be on the field for almost all the snaps.

Also have read that most good NFL big run stopping DTs are usually available on day two and sometimes early day three in deeper drafts.
 
Either Jeanty, Warren or Grant. Anything else trade back. Norman-Lott is looking like a solid 2nd/3rd round pick too so Grant is certainly not a must at 9. Warren and Jeanty however are a tier in their own.
 
WhoDat?DrewDat said:
Dude is the highest graded run stopping iDL in CFB.
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But how much of that is do to Grant? One problem that occurs often is we see these DTs do awesome in college, get drafted and underperform. And no one looks at the giant hulk next to em taking on double teams. Then that same DT ends up somewhere else after so many years next to a big hulk of an NT and excels again.

This may not be the case with Graham. But it also may be. I really don’t know. But the DLine works as a unit and if one doesn’t do their job the unit struggles.

This is why Spags defense with the Chiefs has been performing so incredibly well. You have exceptional talent in Jones, but they all do their job. And the effect trickles to the linebackers and secondary excelling as well.
 
3ParStillDriver said:
But how much of that is do to Grant?
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It's the other way around.

3ParStillDriver said:
One problem that occurs often is we see these DTs do awesome in college, get drafted and underperform. And no one looks at the giant hulk next to em taking on double teams.
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Graham faced almost twice the double teams as Grant. He's the real deal.
 

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