With the 9th Pick in the 2025 draft, who should the Saints select? (merged)

[DaveXA]

So in your mind what if the best player available at your number one need is ranked worse than the best player available at your fifth ranked need?

Trade if possible.

 

[DSnfla]

The first part, you're also correct, I don't "know". But I also know that it doesn't matter what he thinks of Carr. He's going to lean on the run game his first year to start. If you truly understood football you would know that. The players will have an entire new offensive scheme to learn and get synced with. Even if every offensive player returns, it will take time for them to learn the scheme and get in sync. Training camp is not enough. Pre-season is not enough. The running game is the quickest and easiest offensive scheme for players to execute successfully. The passing game is not. We will very, very likely be a running team to start.

And drafting for the future still requires us to start looking at RB. Kamara will be 31 after this coming season. Miller can't stay healthy. Clyde misses games and practices due to PTSD. Whether your drafting for some help this season or for the future, we will likely add a RB.

This stuff isn't hard. Any and all sports are swimming with patterns and the NFL is no different. There are patterns that consistently work and patterns that don't. Just like with Dennis Allen, anyone who watched him coach the Raiders for 3 years saw patterns and knew he was very likely going to be bad. Just like with every first year coach, they tend to lean on the running game far more then passing unless you have a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady, prime Aaron Rodgers or prime Drew Brees long after shoulder surgery, which we don't.

The probability of what's going to happen is quite literally right there staring at us.

AK will be 30 to start the 2025 season

 

[DSnfla]

So we're forgoing BPA to throw darts at perceived needs? That's rarely if ever a good draft strategy. Also, I think the perception that RBs aren't valued is more in the "draft expert"sphere than it is in the league. Bijan was going in the 20's until draft day. Similarly with Gibbs. Now those guys are cornerstones of their teams.

Once again this BPA outlook is a myth. It's BPA at a position of NEED. No team will draft a player that has a slight better grade at a position they are ok at and pass on a player that's graded close at a position of big need

 

[DSnfla]

So in your mind what if the best player available at your number one need is ranked worse than the best player available at your fifth ranked need?

It depends on the difference in grade. if @9 you have a RB rated 9.0 and a DT rated 8.8 and a X WR rated 8.7 / We should be taking the DT. There is always a cloud of players rated close at all positions so there's not a great difference in rating

 

[DSnfla]

Yes but even Armstead wasn't Armstead in his rookie year

Armstead started out slow but got much better as the yr went on . Fuaga started out great and dipped . I think he'll be a very good LT but not sure he'll be elite

 

[DSnfla]

How many rookie T do you think start for any team in any given year?

It is an honor to be chosen to be rookie of the year at your position even if you are the only rookie starting at that position in the NFL...
Also how many rookie OT's were drafted or signed as a UDFA in 2024... It was more than 3!
I think some of you don't realize how hard it is just to make it to the NFL much less earn a starting spot from day 1 as a rookie!

No one said it was not hard to make in the league. The best rookie LT thing is misleading because guys that were drafted as LTs wound up playing different positions. Alt switched to RT along with a others that were LTs in college. Alt was a better T but could not be in the conversation because he didn't play LT

I like Fuaga and think he will be good LT just not sure he'll be elite

 

[faceman]

Jets was gonna give us 2 first and their 2nd....we should've took it.

I disagree, Bush bought more to the field than his stats. You also can't overlook the marketing aspect. Reggie
bought excitement and hope to a city that desperately needed it. D'Brickashaw Ferguson nor AJ Hawk would
have brought that.

 

[MikeyF]

No one said it was not hard to make in the league. The best rookie LT thing is misleading because guys that were drafted as LTs wound up playing different positions. Alt switched to RT along with a others that were LTs in college. Alt was a better T but could not be in the conversation because he didn't play LT

I like Fuaga and think he will be good LT just not sure he'll be elite

The 25 best rookies from the 2024 NFL season

It's often difficult for rookies to make an impact in the NFL, but some rookies can become difference-makers. These 25 rookies have been the best during the 2024 season.

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Fuaga is rated 19
Alt is rated 20
for best rookies from the 2024 draft...

It isn't misleading...

 

[MikeyF]

ESPN named Taliese Fuaga the NFL's best rookie left tackle

Shout to Taliese Fuaga -- the New Orleans Saints left tackle was named the best rookie at his position by ESPN. Ben Solak shared his 2024 NFL All-Rookie team, and Fuaga won top honors on the first team. Its's even more impressive when you remember that Fuaga didn't

saintswire.usatoday.com

 

[DSnfla]

The 25 best rookies from the 2024 NFL season

It's often difficult for rookies to make an impact in the NFL, but some rookies can become difference-makers. These 25 rookies have been the best during the 2024 season.

www.yardbarker.com

Fuaga is rated 19
Alt is rated 20

for best rookies from the 2024 draft...

You can find an article or podcast to support just about any theory . How about we take PFF scores over a site called Yard Barker.
Joe Alt overall grade 77.6 19th out of 144 of all OTs
Fuaga -65.7 53rd out of 144 OTs

 

[MikeyF]

You can find an article or podcast to support just about any theory . How about we take PFF scores over a site called Yard Barker.
Joe Alt overall grade 77.6 19th out of 144 of all OTs
Fuaga -65.7 53rd out of 144 OTs

PFF sccores are a joke & everyone know that...

Why do you fight so hard for Penning & not so much for Fuaga?

I personally am ecstatic that we waited until the 14th pick instead of trading up to get one of the other LT in the draft last year
& the guy turns out to be pretty damn good...

We are now set at RT & LT for the foreseeable future.

 

[DaveXA]

I disagree, Bush bought more to the field than his stats. You also can't overlook the marketing aspect. Reggie
bought excitement and hope to a city that desperately needed it. D'Brickashaw Ferguson nor AJ Hawk would
have brought that.

No question. No one knows what would have happened in a trade. Bush was a big part in starting that golden era of Saints football. I wouldn't change a thing in the run up to the SB. Certainly a lot of regrets after as Brees and Payton certainly had several seasons where they should have gotten back there. It was still a great run.

 

[BBarnes]

So in your mind what if the best player available at your number one need is ranked worse than the best player available at your fifth ranked need?

I think taking the best player available at a position of need on your board is the way to go.

There’s almost no chance the way this draft is likely to fall that that happens at 9 with Jeanty being that guy. Not saying we won’t draft him, just saying the scenario you proposed won’t happen at 9.

 

[jboss]

Trade if possible.

My biggest thing about trading back from 9 is what value we'd be looking at. What team at what draft spot looking to trade up dictates what we'd get in return. I think all the top QBs are gone, so no king's ransom from a team trying to get their franchise QB. And after the top 5, draft value in terms of trade starts to fall off exponentially.

Even hypothetically the Cowboys (Jerry) trading up from 12 to 9 for Jeanty is probably worth a pick swap and a 3rd. Just saying I think a lot of people over value trade backs, especially given how often the organization under Payton was willing to give up way too much draft capital to get "our guy".