Would you pay Brock Purdy $55 million a year to be Saints franchise QB? [mod edit]

[saintmdterps]

The drugs needed for me to say yes do not exist.

They do exist for me but they cost a lot more money. You can’t afford how much they cost.

 

[jahsoul357]

Brock Purdy is the type of 'CEO' QB that needs everything around him to be elite in order for him to be successful.

He doesn't have a lot of elite traits on his own that can elevate those around him.

That's most quarterbacks though. Good quarterbacks don't make bad teams good. And in this day and age, there ain't no quarterbacks elevating everything around them; this is why we always say they need more weapons..lol. If we bash Purdy, we have to bash Matt Stafford, because what makes him different? The Lions didn't see a single playoff win with him as their starter and we blame everything around him. He goes to a ready made team that went to a Super Bowl a few years earlier, they load up on free agents, and bam! Stafford wins a Super Bowl. We too often bash those quarterbacks who benefit while not realizing that nearly every QB today reaps the same benefits.

 

[DSnfla]

That's most quarterbacks though. Good quarterbacks don't make bad teams good. And in this day and age, there ain't no quarterbacks elevating everything around them; this is why we always say they need more weapons..lol. If we bash Purdy, we have to bash Matt Stafford, because what makes him different? The Lions didn't see a single playoff win with him as their starter and we blame everything around him. He goes to a ready made team that went to a Super Bowl a few years earlier, they load up on free agents, and bam! Stafford wins a Super Bowl. We too often bash those quarterbacks who benefit while not realizing that nearly every QB today reaps the same benefits.

I do think that there are at most 4 QBs right now that do elevate their offenses but no QB will take an offense that is devoid of talent and make them great.
That's why I'm on the build a very good vehicle and you can win the race with just a good driver and don't have to have a top 4 QB that elevates a bad to mediocre offense .

And LOL people forget that even if you have one of those elite QBs if your defense is crap you ain't getting to the ship

Get the best race horse and all the jockey has to do is stay on

 

[SuperSaint]

That's most quarterbacks though. Good quarterbacks don't make bad teams good. And in this day and age, there ain't no quarterbacks elevating everything around them; this is why we always say they need more weapons..lol. If we bash Purdy, we have to bash Matt Stafford, because what makes him different? The Lions didn't see a single playoff win with him as their starter and we blame everything around him. He goes to a ready made team that went to a Super Bowl a few years earlier, they load up on free agents, and bam! Stafford wins a Super Bowl. We too often bash those quarterbacks who benefit while not realizing that nearly every QB today reaps the same benefits.

I agree with you for the most part, that trait that the greats have to elevate those around them, the Brees', the Mannings, Montana, Elway, Brady, etc... Might be one of the hardest things in sports to find.

 

[JackDiesel]

I agree with you for the most part, that trait that the greats have to elevate those around them, the Brees', the Mannings, Montana, Elway, Brady, etc... Might be one of the hardest things in sports to find.

And those are the guys worth big money. For $50+ million you need to be elevate the play of the people around you.

Comparing Carr to Purdy is nitpicking because we can all easily agree neither are worth that kind of money. We're already regretting paying Carr his $37 million. Falcons made the same mistake with Cousins. Darnold got $33 million. That's the high end of the level of contract for the game manager QB type you can live with.

 

[los226]

Brock Purdy is an incredible draft choice for Mr. Irrelevant, but he ain’t that great. But QB’s like Geno and Darnold are getting the bag, so why not him lol.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

This thread is saddening. A lot of these people didn’t want Drew Brees. Cheered when Dennis Allen was named Head Coach, and said Payton was washed up and is a bad coach and laughed at Denver thinking those draft picks with Dennis Allen as head coach was better then having Sean Payton as head coach.

Brock Purdy is a top 10 QB in this league (usually so far) with sound accuracy, pocket presence and pre-snap defensive reads and he’s only 25 years old. He’s also one of the only QBs in the league leading and operating a west coast timing based passing offense. He’s already performing as good as Mahomes and Allen more often the not. Sophomore slumps for QBs are an extremely common thing for career starting QBs and that’s what Purdy just experienced. Even Drew Brees had a down sophomore year in the NFL and Peyton Manning a down freshman year. Someone even said they would take Stafford over Purdy, yet Stafford may be on his last year and had a bad 4th year after an exceptional 3rd year and Purdy is only 25. The egg headed logic is utterly dumbfounding.

It’s just not surprising given that so many people who cheered on Dennis Allen being hired as head coach would also pass up having Purdy as a franchise QB who’s only 25 and going to grow and become much better for the likes of Carr, Rattler or drafting a potential disappointment.

I wouldn’t be surprised if these same people wanted to draft Sanders who played against bad defenses all year, throwing to a heisman trophy winner and still got schooled by Nebraska and BYU defenses.

And just for clarity, in his down year at age 25 he was still the 13th best performing starting QB in the NFL for 2024 and BARELY finished behind Jayden Daniels who most of you drool over and he did it with one of the most injured offenses in the league.

Super weird logic. It’s almost as if most of you never watch football outside of the Saints and throw opinions out like flinging manure at a wall to see what sticks.

 

[BreesHOF2024]

Carr finished third in MVP in his age 25 season, FWIW.

Regardless, it’s not a fair comparison because you know full well that Brock Purdy has had miles better personnel around him than Carr has had at any point in his career.

Purdy literally had a Super Bowl ready roster and a multi-Super Bowl participant head coach.

It’s not a fair comparison, and you know it.

That was almost 10 years ago and you're talking "not a fair comparison" lmao. Just so happened to be the last time he's even made the playoffs lol.

Like it or not Purdy is part of that Superbowl roster and took them that team to the Superbowl. If it's easy why couldn't Trey Lance, Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard, or Brian Hoyer do it? How come Carr couldn't win a playoff game with a Superbowl winning coach in Jon Gruden?

 

[Merl]

That was almost 10 years ago and you're talking "not a fair comparison" lmao. Just so happened to be the last time he's even made the playoffs lol.

Like it or not Purdy is part of that Superbowl roster and took them that team to the Superbowl. If it's easy why couldn't Trey Lance, Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard, or Brian Hoyer do it? How come Carr couldn't win a playoff game with a Superbowl winning coach in Jon Gruden?

Gruden was not as good a HC as advertised.

 

[St. Geezy]

That was almost 10 years ago and you're talking "not a fair comparison" lmao. Just so happened to be the last time he's even made the playoffs lol.

Like it or not Purdy is part of that Superbowl roster and took them that team to the Superbowl. If it's easy why couldn't Trey Lance, Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard, or Brian Hoyer do it? How come Carr couldn't win a playoff game with a Superbowl winning coach in Jon Gruden?

I brought back 10 years ago because of the age context you brought up.

I didn't say Purdy was a bad QB, so no need to bring up a bunch of bad QBs that couldn't bring the 49ers to the Super Bowl; not sure what the point of that was. Jimmy G. and Nick Foles both took their very well-constructed teams to Super Bowls too; does this mean they're suddenly great QBs?

Perhaps Carr was on his way to winning a playoff game with Jon Gruden, but Gruden got fired in what was set to be their best year together after a long rebuild of a very poor roster.

But I guess we are now back on the “It’s all on the QB and no one else” narrative. Nope, coaching doesn’t matter, roster construction doesn’t matter, injuries don’t matter, having a defense never ranked better than the bottom third doesn’t matter…nope, it’s all on the QB and QB only to break through all of that and also form a new organizational culture in general overall all by himself.

 

[TribuneUK]

I do think that there are at most 4 QBs right now that do elevate their offenses but no QB will take an offense that is devoid of talent and make them great.
That's why I'm on the build a very good vehicle and you can win the race with just a good driver and don't have to have a top 4 QB that elevates a bad to mediocre offense .

And LOL people forget that even if you have one of those elite QBs if your defense is crap you ain't getting to the ship

Get the best race horse and all the jockey has to do is stay on

Don't eat the cheese. Competent QB play can elevate a team very well, subject to reasonable other factors, and great QB play can turn decent teams into great / winning ones.

Someone is desperate to use the 'bad team' excuse for failed QB play for a very specific reason. And it isn't pertaining to the Niners or Saints.

 

[Merl]

Purdy will either get an extension this year or they will get something done next off season and that might take a franchise tag. It will likely be cheaper for SF to get it done now instead of next year.

 

[jahsoul357]

Don't eat the cheese. Competent QB play can elevate a team very well, subject to reasonable other factors, and great QB play can turn decent teams into great / winning ones.

Someone is desperate to use the 'bad team' excuse for failed QB play for a very specific reason. And it isn't pertaining to the Niners or Saints.

Did 4x MVP Aaron Rodgers turn the Jets around? How many playoff games did Matt Stafford win before the Rams? On the flip side, what did Sam Darnold look like before Minnesota?

"Competent QB play" is usually elevated by skill players and scheming and that's why people are questioning if Purdy should get paid as a "franchise QB." As mentioned in the post, good quarterbacks have never made bad teams good. More often than not, when you see a major turnaround, it is usually because of major overhauls. Do we make it to a conference championship with Drew at QB in 2005? The problem with making everything about the QB is it is the most dependent position on the field. Elite teams will beat elite QBs every Sunday. There is a reason Peyton Manning only has 2 Super Bowls and one of them came when he was one of the worst QBs in the NFL.

 

[BreesHOF2024]

I brought back 10 years ago because of the age context you brought up.

I didn't say Purdy was a bad QB, so no need to bring up a bunch of bad QBs that couldn't bring the 49ers to the Super Bowl; not sure what the point of that was. Jimmy G. and Nick Foles both took their very well-constructed teams to Super Bowls too; does this mean they're suddenly great QBs?

Perhaps Carr was on his way to winning a playoff game with Jon Gruden, but Gruden got fired in what was set to be their best year together after a long rebuild of a very poor roster.

But I guess we are now back on the “It’s all on the QB and no one else” narrative. Nope, coaching doesn’t matter, roster construction doesn’t matter, injuries don’t matter, having a defense never ranked better than the bottom third doesn’t matter…nope, it’s all on the QB and QB only to break through all of that and also form a new organizational culture in general overall all by himself.

If Derek Carr was 25 and his last 3 years we were in the NFCCG and Superbowl he'd have a lot more fans on this board and I'd have no problem giving him what Purdy is asking for.

We had Brees in his prime and a stacked superbowl ready roster multiple times throughout the 2010's and the closest we got was one NFCCG appearance. Any QB who proves they can make it that far in the dance multiple times deserves their money. There are at least 10 other teams in this league that have the roster to win a Superbowl but don't have the QB to lead them there.

Last paragraph is just ranting about stuff no one said. Shanahan isn't going to take a risk on a total unknown at QB after Purdy saved his job. He's already proven he can run his offense at a Superbowl level, what else are you looking for?