Young couple goes on van tour of US, boy comes back with van - no girl (1 Viewer)

[WhoDatPhan78]

I agree. They defused the pending situation. It had no connection to him escalating to this point 2 weeks later. I agree with the North Part police somewhat. But honestly if he is on the lam, who predicted that? That's why this is so compelling. Which is what leads me back to he suicided himself cos that's what would usually happen (Occam's razor). But most don't usually already have a lawyer, which is what leads me to he IS trying to get away.

I’ve read that his mother used to work for the DA. If he called and told her that gabbie died in the woods and he was on his way home, I’m sure the first thing she did was call an attorney.

 

[superchuck500]

So in regards to parents... If they can prove somehow that they aided Brian in evading arrest, and if he is never found, could it they be charged w a higher crime than just aiding and abetting? Like accessory to murder?

I think they’re the same thing. Accessory is the modern name of the charge.

 

[superchuck500]

I keep hearing that Brian is not a suspect, just a person of interest. If they can determine the time of death was near Aug 27th, the day the van was spotted, 900 ft from where the body was found, can't they begin calling him a suspect? And wouldn't that change the parameters of the "search" for him?

I don’t think it changes anything. What would change things (somewhat) is a warrant for his arrest. But even then, I think there’s already a full slate of resources dedicated to locating him.

 

[HoustonSaint68]

So I saw this in the NY Post, so who knows how true it is, although they give it as a quote. To be very, very clear, I am not victim blaming and I quite literally would not wish the pain of losing a child on the worst person in the world. But it kinda makes you wonder about a few things.

I don’t have daughters so I have no clue how to raise a daughter to maximize her self-esteem in order to equip her to tell a controlling boyfriend to hit the bricks. But this doesn’t seem like an optimal approach:

“ Gabby Petito’s dad says he had a mocking nickname for his daughter’s boyfriend, Brian Laundrie, who is now a “person of interest’’ in her disappearance-turned-suspected death case.

Joseph Petito revealed that he’d refer to Brian as “Brianne,” according an episode of “Dr. Phil” that aired Monday.

“I’ve never actually liked any of Gabby’s boyfriends. I’ve never actually called any of them by their real name, ever,” said the dad, who is originally from Long Island.

“I always tried to use the female versions of the boyfriends’ names, just to intimidate them a little bit,” he said.

“They laughed,” Joseph Petito said. “Although as the years progressed, I think [Gabby] prepared them for when they met me.’’”

 

[kizzy821]

So I saw this in the NY Post, so who knows how true it is, although they give it as a quote. To be very, very clear, I am not victim blaming and I quite literally would not wish the pain of losing a child on the worst person in the world. But it kinda makes you wonder about a few things.

I don’t have daughters so I have no clue how to raise a daughter to maximize her self-esteem in order to equip her to tell a controlling boyfriend to hit the bricks. But this doesn’t seem like an optimal approach:

“ Gabby Petito’s dad says he had a mocking nickname for his daughter’s boyfriend, Brian Laundrie, who is now a “person of interest’’ in her disappearance-turned-suspected death case.

Joseph Petito revealed that he’d refer to Brian as “Brianne,” according an episode of “Dr. Phil” that aired Monday.

“I’ve never actually liked any of Gabby’s boyfriends. I’ve never actually called any of them by their real name, ever,” said the dad, who is originally from Long Island.

“I always tried to use the female versions of the boyfriends’ names, just to intimidate them a little bit,” he said.

“They laughed,” Joseph Petito said. “Although as the years progressed, I think [Gabby] prepared them for when they met me.’’”

I will never understand (nor do I want to) what makes a man think they're so much better than a woman.

 

[Merl]

That a place like that exists is fascinating. It sound morbid but forensics kinda is.

Mike Rowe had an episode on his show "Dirty Jobs" on one of those places. They used pig carcasses for it.

 

[HoustonSaint68]

I will never understand (nor do I want to) what makes a man think they're so much better than a woman.

I’m certainly no psychologist but maybe part of the problem is that deep down most men know they’re not.

I’m not suggesting that people need to feel sorry for men as a group, but it’s really kinda effed up the way that boys are raised also.

 

[kat5s]

I agree. They defused the pending situation. It had no connection to him escalating to this point 2 weeks later. I agree with the North Part police somewhat. But honestly if he is on the lam, who predicted that? That's why this is so compelling. Which is what leads me back to he suicided himself cos that's what would usually happen (Occam's razor). But most don't usually already have a lawyer, which is what leads me to he IS trying to get away.

I also think the cops did a good job in handling the situation ...obviously a senior cop came a long and gave the junior cop his suggestions and what had to be done by rule of law based on how the junior cop wanted to undertake the situation ...A major thing that I don't understand is why he (cop) gave the keys to someone he deemed emotionally upset/unstable and told her to drive the van (she stated she was not comfortable driving the van long distances) and then also give her a location to go get a shower to help calm down, and put him up in hotel??

Why the fork would you not put her up in a hotel and give Mr Calm the van

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I will never understand (nor do I want to) what makes a man think they're so much better than a woman.

Why dont you stop worrying your pretty little head about it, and just let us figure it out.

 

[superchuck500]

So in regards to parents... If they can prove somehow that they aided Brian in evading arrest, and if he is never found, could it they be charged w a higher crime than just aiding and abetting? Like accessory to murder?

I think they’re the same thing. Accessory is the modern name of the charge.

So not quite right on that. A&A happens before the crime, accessory (after-the-fact) happens after.

Aiding and Abetting/Accessory - FindLaw

A criminal charge of "aiding and abetting" or accessory can usually be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime. To learn more, see FindLaw's section on Criminal Charges.

www.findlaw.com

 

[superchuck500]

I also think the cops did a good job in handling the situation ...obviously a senior cop came a long and gave the junior cop his suggestions and what had to be done by rule of law based on how the junior cop wanted to undertake the situation ...A major thing that I don't understand is why he (cop) gave the keys to someone he deemed emotionally upset/unstable and told her to drive the van (she stated she was not comfortable driving the van long distances) and then also give her a location to go get a shower to help calm down, and put him up in hotel??

Why the fork would you not put her up in a hotel and give Mr Calm the van

It's also a situation where a trained counselor could have had tremendous utility. Some circles of the law enforcement reform community have pushed for increased use of counselors - while others have resisted, laughing it off as some progressive alternate reality. But this shows that it's pretty pig-headed to not realize that not every police intervention involves a singular "bad guy with a gun" scenario.

 

[Tapxe]

So I saw this in the NY Post, so who knows how true it is, although they give it as a quote. To be very, very clear, I am not victim blaming and I quite literally would not wish the pain of losing a child on the worst person in the world. But it kinda makes you wonder about a few things.

I don’t have daughters so I have no clue how to raise a daughter to maximize her self-esteem in order to equip her to tell a controlling boyfriend to hit the bricks. But this doesn’t seem like an optimal approach:

“ Gabby Petito’s dad says he had a mocking nickname for his daughter’s boyfriend, Brian Laundrie, who is now a “person of interest’’ in her disappearance-turned-suspected death case.

Joseph Petito revealed that he’d refer to Brian as “Brianne,” according an episode of “Dr. Phil” that aired Monday.

“I’ve never actually liked any of Gabby’s boyfriends. I’ve never actually called any of them by their real name, ever,” said the dad, who is originally from Long Island.

“I always tried to use the female versions of the boyfriends’ names, just to intimidate them a little bit,” he said.

“They laughed,” Joseph Petito said. “Although as the years progressed, I think [Gabby] prepared them for when they met me.’’”

[Sarcasm]I'm sure that made Gabby feel great. No matter what man she was interested in her father disapproved. No way that could cause confusion and an unhealthy self worth issue.[/sarcasm]

Wonder what other "jokes" dad always had for her....

 

[efil4stnias]

So not quite right on that. A&A happens before the crime, accessory (after-the-fact) happens after.

Aiding and Abetting/Accessory - FindLaw

A criminal charge of "aiding and abetting" or accessory can usually be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime. To learn more, see FindLaw's section on Criminal Charges.

www.findlaw.com

OK so does the latter carry a "heftier" sentence?
I guess what I would look for is leverage LE has to get the parents to cooperate (if they simply are not providing LE with everything)

 

[superchuck500]

OK so does the latter carry a "heftier" sentence?
I guess what I would look for is leverage LE has to get the parents to cooperate (if they simply are not providing LE with everything)

You'd have to look at state law to see how they're treated but if you consider the difference between the two, A&A actually assists in the commission of the crime whereas accessory is more like an obstruction of justice. So A&A could be seen as worse.

The federal sentencing guidelines treat an A&A conviction as being a "principal" to the crime - and can be sentenced in the same manner that the crime itself is treated. Whereas accessory is can be a lower offense for serious crimes like murder.

But yes, any meaningful threat of an accessory charge brings leverage to the table. An actual arrest on accessory brings a lot of leverage. Of course, if they don't really know where he is and have told them everything they know, there's not much more to get out of them. So it's up to the detectives to use the other information and evidence to look for any gaps or deviations in their story to them.

 

[efil4stnias]

So I saw this in the NY Post, so who knows how true it is, although they give it as a quote. To be very, very clear, I am not victim blaming and I quite literally would not wish the pain of losing a child on the worst person in the world. But it kinda makes you wonder about a few things.

I don’t have daughters so I have no clue how to raise a daughter to maximize her self-esteem in order to equip her to tell a controlling boyfriend to hit the bricks. But this doesn’t seem like an optimal approach:

“ Gabby Petito’s dad says he had a mocking nickname for his daughter’s boyfriend, Brian Laundrie, who is now a “person of interest’’ in her disappearance-turned-suspected death case.

Joseph Petito revealed that he’d refer to Brian as “Brianne,” according an episode of “Dr. Phil” that aired Monday.

“I’ve never actually liked any of Gabby’s boyfriends. I’ve never actually called any of them by their real name, ever,” said the dad, who is originally from Long Island.

“I always tried to use the female versions of the boyfriends’ names, just to intimidate them a little bit,” he said.

“They laughed,” Joseph Petito said. “Although as the years progressed, I think [Gabby] prepared them for when they met me.’’”

I think you have to know your child. Really know your child.
My oldest is 18 youngest 13 and I know, certain things, I can only go so far or start to erode at her self esteem.
And neither are same things. Each is different. What may start as playful banter can quickly change and I've learned that over the years. Was he truly dialed in? Don't know. But as a father, it's imperative you learn these little things because it shapes their views as they become young adult women.

I know this much, my daughter ain't driving cross country with a guy she recently broke off engagement with and both exhibiting some mental instability.