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[Snakehead]

I'm really rooting for Ben Johnson to be a huge bust. He seems to have a massive ego and I'm not sure it's warranted.

Yeah, I'm almost anti-Johnson at this point. That offense is absolutely loaded with talent. Sure he calls good plays most of the time, but he's not doing that with the Saints roster that finished this season. He's also probably not doing a lot it when we are at full strength as Olave/Shaheed are not the WRs ASB and Williams are. We don't have a LaPorta nor do we have a Gibbs.

 

[DaveXA]

Yeah, I'm almost anti-Johnson at this point. That offense is absolutely loaded with talent. Sure he calls good plays most of the time, but he's not doing that with the Saints roster that finished this season. He's also probably not doing a lot it when we are at full strength as Olave/Shaheed are not the WRs ASB and Williams are. We don't have a LaPorta nor do we have a Gibbs.

Well, we did have some weapons, but not so healthy though.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Been saying this. What Rizzi did w/ a team that wasn't created in his image says a lot. He did more w/ Allen's team than Allen did w/ them and that should be taken into consideration. Based on the 2022 hiring cycle out of 10 coaches hired 4 remain, so u can do worse than Rizzi in this cycle. Meanwhile, there's only a 2/5 chance you can do better. Even worse, of the 2/5 chance you also have to consider 1 or 2 of the top coaches may decide not to interview here due to the state of the franchise.

If Rizzi can bring in a staff that fits to how he likes to do things (more aggressive offense/defense) he may be able to do even more.

Just the change he made to the coaching of the defensive line took them from horrific to at least serviceable/above average. Cam Jordan was a ghost before the change was made.

I'm not a fan of keeping Rizzi, but wouldn't be too upset if he's given a chance to build his own team and work with a healthier roster. Only if we have trouble landing some of the better candidates with our cap situation.

He did make some gametime clock management mistakes and maybe a bit too "enthusiastic" at times.

 

[meily]

Just the change he made to the coaching of the defensive line took them from horrific to at least serviceable/above average. Cam Jordan was a ghost before the change was made.

I'm not a fan of keeping Rizzi, but wouldn't be too upset if he's given a chance to build his own team and work with a healthier roster. Only if we have trouble landing some of the better candidates with our cap situation.

He did make some gametime clock management mistakes and maybe a bit too "enthusiastic" at times.

Where has he built a winner? he is not an upgrade over DA I do not care how much people dislike DA, your only getting worse if you hired Rizzi full time.

 

[jahsoul357]

Just the change he made to the coaching of the defensive line took them from horrific to at least serviceable/above average. Cam Jordan was a ghost before the change was made.

I'm not a fan of keeping Rizzi, but wouldn't be too upset if he's given a chance to build his own team and work with a healthier roster. Only if we have trouble landing some of the better candidates with our cap situation.

He did make some gametime clock management mistakes and maybe a bit too "enthusiastic" at times.

I actually think Rizzi would do well as a head coach where ever he lands. I think this was a good experience for him and basically got trial by fire. I think with his own staff and vision, he could make some noise. My first move would be getting Selah to run the defense...lol.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Just the change he made to the coaching of the defensive line took them from horrific to at least serviceable/above average. Cam Jordan was a ghost before the change was made.

I'm not a fan of keeping Rizzi, but wouldn't be too upset if he's given a chance to build his own team and work with a healthier roster. Only if we have trouble landing some of the better candidates with our cap situation.

He did make some gametime clock management mistakes and maybe a bit too "enthusiastic" at times.

What Loomis saw in DA was a good "coach" that could potentially develop into a good HC. He didn't, and so they know they were heard, plenty of people felt that DA's Raiders tenure was enough to prove that he wouldn't develop. Rizzi is another good "developmental" coach that Mickey would be wise to consider. Loomis' logic and reasoning were solid, DA was the wrong person and perhaps that Raiders tenure should have held more weight during decision making than it did.

Still, we shouldn't shy away from Rizzi just because of a previous mistake and his prior ties to SP. Again, if he's wrong he can just fire him to start 2026 and nobody will flinch.

 

[Snakehead]

What Loomis saw in DA was a good "coach" that could potentially develop into a good HC. He didn't, and so they know they were heard, plenty of people felt that DA's Raiders tenure was enough to prove that he wouldn't develop. Rizzi is another good "developmental" coach that Mickey would be wise to consider. Loomis' logic and reasoning were solid, DA was the wrong person and perhaps that Raiders tenure should have held more weight during decision making than it did.

Still, we shouldn't shy away from Rizzi just because of a previous mistake and his prior ties to SP. Again, if he's wrong he can just fire him to start 2026 and nobody will flinch.

People are also forgetting that Rizzi was interviewed for the HC position the year DA got it. He's been a candidate for this job the last time it was open. His interim experience wasn't perfect, but it definitely wasn't bad to where he's not a real option for this hiring cycle.

 

[GeneHansen]

Jets, Colts, and Raiders seem like obvious teams calling. They are outside top 3 in a 2 QB draft.

Do they realize Jake Haener is available?

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Based on Mara, Daboll is only getting one more year because "the ability that made him coach of the year didn't suddenly disappear", but also classified his patience as thin. IE Daboll will be given the opportunity to work w/ whomever they draft at QB. If he can't show where that QB is developing and the team isn't producing wins because of it, he's out.

 

[B4YOU]

 

[soggymoss84]

I don’t think it’s because the Saints don’t want him - I think Underhill is basically saying, there’s no way he’d come for an interview with all the top-tier teams in much better cap condition than us on his heels.

As an ugly guy, you never know if you can get the cheerleader unless you try.

 

[Elvis]

Cam would want him back because that is his best chance to stick around for another year. A new coach may not want a near retirement DE.

 

[Elvis]

I'm really rooting for Ben Johnson to be a huge bust. He seems to have a massive ego and I'm not sure it's warranted.

How so? He has a really good thing going and wants to be selective in the next situation because when a team is changing coaches it's always going to be a really heavy lift. He's only 38 years old and has plenty of time to be a head coach. Winning on the other hand is something that's really hard to do in the NFL and he has full autonomy in one of the best offenses in the NFL. So I think it's actually really refreshing to see a young coach have enough self awareness to not jump at any HC job and wait for one that feels right. That's how we ended up with Payton instead of the Raiders getting him the year prior.

 

[Innominate]

Based on Mara, Daboll is only getting one more year because "the ability that made him coach of the year didn't suddenly disappear", but also classified his patience as thin. IE Daboll will be given the opportunity to work w/ whomever they draft at QB. If he can't show where that QB is developing and the team isn't producing wins because of it, he's out.

They're applying the Bears method?