Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (6 Viewers)

[bigdaddysaints]

I got pregnant

I turned into the Hulk..dang shame, only lasted one day .

 

[sonicboom]

No, that's not from the FDA. FDA pages do not look like that. Every FDA page has this header:



... and every page shows the directory tree as links right below the banner, like this:


I have no idea who's that in the picture, but the picture is not even properly framed.

This is the actual list of possible events after the vaccine, published by the CDC:

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

As you can see, the list is much, much smaller.

As for side effects, every foreign substance that comes in contact with your body has a potential to cause a reaction, being vaccines, aspirin, shampoo, toothpaste... heck, some people can have severe reactions to peanuts.

Have you ever tried to read the very small print on any package product that's sold in the U.S.? Or watch a medicine ad on T.V.? They list a number of possible reactions to the subtance... but that doesn't mean that every person who ever who comes in contact with the substance will experience that reaction, or even that a significant number of people would experience an adverse reaction. It just means that it has been observed at least once, and by law they have to disclose it.

... but I did. If proven wrong, I'll apologize, but I am 100% sure I won't have to.

100% is pretty sure. In that case...

Here is the link....




Can anyone find the link in the video, inquiring minds would like to know?!?!

 

[buzd]

I got pregnant

Congrats

 

[DaveXA]

100% is pretty sure. In that case...

Here is the link....




Can anyone find the link in the video, inquiring minds would like to know?!?!

I'm gonna take a shot. That screenshot you posted is a list of unverified possible side effects from the vaccines. Basically a list of reported side effects. It's basically a form people fill out when they think something they suffered was caused by whatever vaccine they took. States collected this data and sent it to the CDC iirc.

The video you sourced is from October 2020. The data probably a few months old. So we're talking 6-8 months into the pandemic. This isn't something that tells you anything. If anything, at an absolute minimum, you need to explain the context of the screenshot.

 

[sonicboom]

I'm gonna take a shot. That screenshot you posted is a list of unverified possible side effects from the vaccines. Basically a list of reported side effects. It's basically a form people fill out when they think something they suffered was caused by whatever vaccine they took. States collected this data and sent it to the CDC iirc.

The video you sourced is from October 2020. The data probably a few months old. So we're talking 6-8 months into the pandemic. This isn't something that tells you anything. If anything, at an absolute minimum, you need to explain the context of the screenshot.

That would certainly fit into your point of view. I need to explain? Sorry Dave, watch the video, and if you have questions, please contact the FDA.

My post was to see if any one believes the possible side effects were true, from your response, it seems you doubt everything, so I got your answer. Not unless you intended to state something else. If you just want to discredit the video, that's fine, my job isn't to defend it, since I didn't state the information.

Here it is again..



Do you believe these side effects have become true, or just precautionary? (The question stated a second time.)

I have given the link and asked a question. I'm not explaining the intent, it should be self explanatory. My original post was just to seek people's personal opinion, if nobody agrees with it that got vaccinated, than I understand. Why is this so difficult? lol

From my experience, those that have not got vaccinated, believe these side effects have merit. I'm not going any further with the explanation, because I will have to post more links, which people won't believe, even though I think they are credible. It may not be everyone that didn't get vaccinated, but the majority seem to have believed this to be true in millions of cases.

Still waiting for that apology that I was promised.

 

[DaveXA]

That would certainly fit into your point of view. I need to explain? Sorry Dave, watch the video, and if you have questions, please contact the FDA.

My post was to see if any one believes the possible side effects were true, from your response, it seems you doubt everything, so I got your answer. Not unless you intended to state something else. If you just want to discredit the video, that's fine, my job isn't to defend it, since I didn't state the information.

Here it is again..



Do you believe these side effects have become true, or just precautionary? (The question stated a second time.)

I have given the link and asked a question. I'm not explaining the intent, it should be self explanatory. My original post was just to seek people's personal opinion, if nobody agrees with it that got vaccinated, than I understand. Why is this so difficult? lol

From my experience, those that have not got vaccinated, believe these side effects have merit. I'm not going any further with the explanation, because I will have to post more links, which people won't believe, even though I think they are credible. It may not be everyone that didn't get vaccinated, but the majority seem to have believed this to be true in millions of cases.

Still waiting for that apology that I was promised.

Please post the timestamp where you found that screenshot. I've looked through the video several times and unable to find it. It's ridiculous that you're providing absolutely no context and no clear reason for posting it.

 

[DaveXA]

That would certainly fit into your point of view.

While i wait for your timestamp, I'll go ahead and respond. I prefer facts over an unsourced post with no context.

I need to explain?

Yes you do.

Sorry Dave, watch the video, and if you have questions, please contact the FDA..

I watched the segment of the guy you posted. The slide you posted isn't in there. Regardless, the video posted is a nearly 9 hour advisory committee presentation on a wide variety of topics related to vaccines, effectiveness, safety, strategies, recommendations, etc. A lot of what they discussed were preliminary findings and not intended to be binding or conclusive. Basically they make recommendations on how to improve processes and systems.

My post was to see if any one believes the possible side effects were true, from your response, it seems you doubt everything, so I got your answer.

The slide you posted was a DRAFT: Working list of possible adverse event outcomes. My assumption is that it's based on data collected by the VAERS system, which is not intended to be anything more than a data aggregation method to get a preliminary warning on possible side effects from the vaccine. It's not a scientific study. The side effects are undocumented. Anyone can fill out the reports and put whatever they want in them. If there are trends that warrant concern, then the CDC or proper agency would run a scientific study to find out if the reporting trend is caused by the vaccine or something else. The list is pretty meaningless without studies to verify the veracity of the reports.

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

vaers.hhs.gov

VAERS | Vaccine Safety | CDC

VAERS is the national vaccine safety monitoring system that accepts reports of adverse events after vaccination. The system can quickly detect potential safety issues with vaccines.

www.cdc.gov

Below is a quote from the linked page.

As an early warning system, VAERS cannot prove that a vaccine caused a problem. Specifically, a report to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused an adverse event. But VAERS can give CDC and FDA important information. If it looks as though a vaccine might be causing a problem, FDA and CDC will investigate further and take action if needed.

Not unless you intended to state something else. If you just want to discredit the video, that's fine, my job isn't to defend it, since I didn't state the information.

I'm not at all discrediting the video. I actually think you're misrepresenting what the screen shot means. That's why I asked you for context which you refused to provide.

Here it is again..



Do you believe these side effects have become true, or just precautionary? (The question stated a second time.)

I don't know. I know that this isn't what you think it is. I explained what it is above. I do think there may be some possible side effects. But I'd rather let the scientific studies make the case. I'm not an epidemiologist.

I have given the link and asked a question.

A link...well, not even a link, a screenshot with no timestamp, with zero context is pretty useless.

I'm not explaining the intent, it should be self explanatory.

You should explain why you posted it and why it's meaningful in the context of this discussion.

My original post was just to seek people's personal opinion, if nobody agrees with it that got vaccinated, than I understand. Why is this so difficult? lol

Sounds more like you're just looking for someone to agree with you. Really the opposite of critical thinking.

From my experience, those that have not got vaccinated, believe these side effects have merit.

This makes absolutely no sense. How can they know the side effects have merit if they haven't been vaccinated? I think they're assuming because of their biases, not because of anyone's particular reported side effects.

I'm not going any further with the explanation, because I will have to post more links, which people won't believe, even though I think they are credible.

I'll evaluate each link on its own merits. Some probably are credible, some clearly not.

It may not be everyone that didn't get vaccinated, but the majority seem to have believed this to be true in millions of cases.

How do you figure?

Still waiting for that apology that I was promised.

I'll let whoever made a promise answer.

 

[SystemShock]

Still waiting for that apology that I was promised.

Time stamp? I am not going to review an 8+ stream for a single slide.

Even then, if that slide is indeed in that stream from 2020, I will apologize for doubting the slide came from the FDA. But you very well know that is not the official posting of either the FDA or the CDC regarding side effects, bur a single slide on a very long presentation, and that the side effects of the vaccines are now posted on the official CDC website.

@sonicboom : Now I wait foe my apology.

@Doug B : thank you for the effort.

 

[Doug B]

Here’s the origin of that FDA slide:

Posts misrepresent FDA committee presentation on vaccine side effects

CLAIM: Presentation slide shows the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s list of possible adverse outcomes of the COVID-19 vaccine include stroke and death.

apnews.com

 

[brandon8283]

Do you believe these side effects have become true, or just precautionary?

That's the thing about science. It doesn't matter whether you believe or don't believe.

If there is evidence that these adverse reactions have occurred in a statistically significant portion of the population, there will be documented evidence to support that.

Also, I'd like to point out that there is a difference between "side effects" and "adverse reactions" that may be relevant to your interests. Here's a good explanation breaking down the difference and why it's relevant to this discussion: https://www.iwpharmacy.com/blog/side-effect-vs.-adverse-event

From my experience, those that have not got vaccinated, believe these side effects have merit.

So your experience is that people who didn't get vaccinated believe they were right?

Do you think that is statistically relevant in any way?

I'm not going any further with the explanation, because I will have to post more links, which people won't believe, even though I think they are credible. It may not be everyone that didn't get vaccinated, but the majority seem to have believed this to be true in millions of cases.

People will believe credible links. That's not what you've posted. We can't even find the slide you posted in the 8 hour video you posted. Can you?

From a personal, anecdotal standpoint, I will freely admit to you that after every single Covid vaccine I've gotten except the first one, I've had an adverse reaction. I get fever, chills, extreme fatigue, and a splitting headache. It basically feels like I have the flu for about a day to a day and a half. This has happened for me for the first booster, the second booster, and the bivalent booster. It's like clockwork - I can count on it. I don't look forward to it. It's really uncomfortable.

It also isn't in any way dangerous (because there's no real disease), and I haven't gotten COVID yet. So the tradeoff is still probably worth it to me.

I will also tell you that last month, I had an adverse reaction to Bactrim DS, an antibiotic. This drug, and its generic sulfamethoxazole/trimethoprim, has been approved for use since the 1960s, and is on the WHO's list of essential medicines due to how effective it is as an antibiotic for a wide range of bacteria and parasites. It's been proven time and time again to be a completely safe, helpful drug.

However, this antibiotic that's been used for over 50 years, for all kinds of infections, put me in the hospital twice last month. I had the following adverse effects:

• Rash over my whole body
• Fever of 103 degrees
• Headache
• Thrombocytopenia (I'm throwing in the scary sounding ones, too!)
• Arthralgia
• Extreme dehydration
• Kidney damage
• Immune system suppression

How could this drug that has been safe for so many people for so many years be so dangerous for me? Am I allergic to the drug?

Well, actually no. With the exception of maybe the rash, these symptoms are not how allergies present. No, it's simply the interaction of this particular drug with my particular physiology that doesn't work. It's now a documented drug I can't take because I'm particularly sensitive to it, for whatever reason.

Does that mean the drug is now no longer safe and should be pulled from the shelves for everyone in the world? Of course not. It's a safe, reliable, and effective drug for almost everyone in almost every case. But every drug has a chance of adverse reaction for a particular individual. It's just the nature of all drugs, including Tylenol, ibuprofen, chemotherapy, and COVID vaccines.

My personal anecdote is statistically insignificant, even if it actually happened, and was documented two separate times last month, proving I couldn't tolerate the drug. My personal anecdotes about my reactions to COVID vaccines are also statistically insignificant, even if they actually happened, and I can get consistently repeatable results every time I take the vaccine.

It doesn't matter. My personal physiological difficulties with the drugs just don't outweigh the overall benefits for pretty much everyone else, either in the case of Bactrim, or in the case of COVID vaccines.

 

[DaveXA]

That's the thing about science. It doesn't matter whether your believe or don't believe.

If there is evidence that these adverse reactions have occurred in a statistically significant portion of the population, there will be documented evidence to support that.

Also, I'd like to point out that there is a difference between "side effects" and "adverse reactions" that may be relevant to your interests. Here's a good explanation breaking down the difference and why it's relevant to this discussion: https://www.iwpharmacy.com/blog/side-effect-vs.-adverse-event


So your experience is that people who didn't get vaccinated believe they were right?

Do you think that is statistically relevant in any way?


People will believe credible links. That's not what you've posted. We can't even find the slide you posted in the 8 hour video you posted. Can you?

From a personal, anecdotal standpoint, I will freely admit to you that after every single Covid vaccine I've gotten except the first one, I've had an adverse reaction. I get fever, chills, extreme fatigue, and a splitting headache. It basically feels like I have the flu for about a day to a day and a half. This has happened for me for the first booster, the second booster, and the bivalent booster. It's like clockwork - I can count on it. I don't look forward to it. It's really uncomfortable.

It also isn't in any way dangerous (because there's no real disease), and I haven't gotten COVID yet. So the tradeoff is still probably worth it to me.

I will also tell you that last month, I had an adverse reaction to Bactrim DS, an antibiotic. This drug, and its generic sulfamethoxazole/trimethoprim, has been approved for use since the 1960s, and is on the WHO's list of essential medicines due to how effective it is as an antibiotic for a wide range of bacteria and parasites. It's been proven time and time again to be a completely safe, helpful drug.

However, this antibiotic that's been used for over 50 years, for all kinds of infections, put me in the hospital twice last month. I had the following adverse effects:

• Rash over my whole body
• Fever of 103 degrees
• Headache
• Thrombocytopenia (I'm throwing in the scary sounding ones, too!)
• Arthralgia
• Extreme dehydration
• Kidney damage
• Immune system suppression

How could this drug that has been safe for so many people for so many years be so dangerous for me? Am I allergic to the drug?

Well, actually no. With the exception of maybe the rash, these symptoms are not how allergies present. No, it's simply the interaction of this particular drug with my particular physiology that doesn't work. It's now a documented drug I can't take because I'm particularly sensitive to it, for whatever reason.

Does that mean the drug is now no longer safe and should be pulled from the shelves for everyone in the world? Of course not. It's a safe, reliable, and effective drug for almost everyone in almost every case. But every drug has a chance of adverse reaction for a particular individual. It's just the nature of all drugs, including Tylenol, ibuprofen, chemotherapy, and COVID vaccines.

My personal anecdote is statistically insignificant, even if it actually happened, and was documented two separate times last month, proving I couldn't tolerate the drug. My personal anecdotes about my reactions to COVID vaccines are also statistically insignificant, even if they actually happened, and I can get consistently repeatable results every time I take the vaccine.

It doesn't matter. My personal physiological difficulties with the drugs just don't outweigh the overall benefits for pretty much everyone else, either in the case of Bactrim, or in the case of COVID vaccines.

Excellent post. Thank you.

TIL - the difference between side effects and adverse reactions. Good info.

 

[Doug B]

That's the thing about science. It doesn't matter whether your believe or don't believe.

This a thousand times. Thank you.

 

[Doug B]

100% is pretty sure. In that case...

Here is the link....




Can anyone find the link in the video, inquiring minds would like to know?!?!

This image:



... is faked.

The photo at top left is of Dr. Steve Anderson, Director of the FDA's Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER).

In the link you posted last night -- a long series of presentations by the FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee that took place on October 22, 2020 -- Anderson joined the presentation via audio (hence the still photo) at about 2:20:30 to present his slide. Anderson spoke through to about 2:39:25. About 19 minutes.

Starts here:



I've gone through Anderson's 19 minutes twice. The faked slide (not link) that you originally posted is not present in Anderson's slide presentation.

 

[DaveXA]

This image:



... is faked.

The photo at top left is of Dr. Steve Anderson, Director of the FDA's Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER).

In the link you posted last night -- a long series of presentations by the FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee that took place on October 22, 2020 -- Anderson joined the presentation via audio (hence the still photo) at about 2:20:30 to present his slide. Anderson spoke through to about 2:39:25. About 19 minutes.

Starts here:



I've gone through Anderson's 19 minutes twice. The faked slide (not link) that you originally posted is not present in Anderson's slide presentation.

Exactly. I figured it was a fake after I went through it multiple times as well. It's why I'm pretty sure he hasn't watched it. Post a fake screen shot and not include any context and expect us to do his homework for him. As disingenuous as it gets. He's the one who owes an apology.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Exactly. I figured it was a fake after I went through it multiple times as well. It's why I'm pretty sure he hasn't watched it. Post a fake screen shot and not include any context and expect us to do his homework for him. As disingenuous as it gets. He's the one who owes an apology.

He didn't want yall to do his homework, he didn't think anyone would take the time to look into it. He probably saw this on some Youtube Video or some Facebook group he was in and just took it as face value because it fit his beliefs. I would like to see if he actually shows up to defend it more.
Kudos to yall for the research. good job.