Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (7 Viewers)

[SWJJ]

Dave, Doug, and Brandon doin' work!

Well done Gents!

 

[sonicboom]

This image:



... is faked.

The photo at top left is of Dr. Steve Anderson, Director of the FDA's Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER).

In the link you posted last night -- a long series of presentations by the FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee that took place on October 22, 2020 -- Anderson joined the presentation via audio (hence the still photo) at about 2:20:30 to present his slide. Anderson spoke through to about 2:39:25. About 19 minutes.

Starts here:



I've gone through Anderson's 19 minutes twice. The faked slide (not link) that you originally posted is not present in Anderson's slide presentation.

I found the time stamp, why can't you after two views? I feel my honor and reputation has been slandered, so I will no longer respond to the slide. People seem more interested in discrediting sources, than answering questions.

Enjoy your empty victory!

I got my answer, so thanks for responding. I will remember this moving forward.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

People seem more interested in discrediting sources, than answering questions.

Nah, Sonic. This thread is great about doing the work. You posed a question based on an unreliable source. It was looked into and validly discredited.

I would venture to say that it's more about you trying to discredit the vaccine.

 

[DaveXA]

I found the time stamp, why can't you after two views?

Now I know you're straight up lying. Post the timestamp where you found this in the video you claim it's in.

I feel my honor and reputation has been slandered, so I will no longer respond to the slide.

Outright lying isnt a good look.

People seem more interested in discrediting sources, than answering questions.

Then post where you found it.

Enjoy your empty victory!

This isn't a football game.

I got my answer, so thanks for responding. I will remember this moving forward.

Remember what? That we don't tolerate disingenuous posts?

 

[sonicboom]

Nah, Sonic. This thread is great about doing the work. You posed a question based on an unreliable source. It was looked into and validly discredited.

I would venture to say that it's more about you trying to discredit the vaccine.

Now I know you're straight up lying. Post the timestamp where you found this in the video you claim it's in.

Outright lying isnt a good look.

Then post where you found it.

This isn't a football game.

Remember what? That we don't tolerate disingenuous posts?

2 hours, 33 minutes, and 40 seconds.

 

[DaveXA]

2 hours, 33 minutes, and 40 seconds.

Thank you. I'll take a look and respond shortly.

 

[SWJJ]

I found the time stamp, why can't you after two views? I feel my honor and reputation has been slandered, so I will no longer respond to the slide. People seem more interested in discrediting sources, than answering questions.

Enjoy your empty victory!

I got my answer, so thanks for responding. I will remember this moving forward.

Dude you posted a video that is nine HOURS long. Asking for a time stamp is a reasonable request.

Then another poster went through the video, found the 19 minute section where Dr. Anderson talks and then watched it twice, and then reposted the video to start at the time stamp.

You are doing the absolute least while claiming the most.

Your response is LAUGHABLE!


The slide is proven to be a fake and you have the gall to say

People seem more interested in discrediting sources, than answering questions.

You have been exposed as either being a fool who succumbed to false propaganda, or even worse, a quake who faked a document to further misinformation about the vaccine.

 

[Eeyore]

If that slide is fake then I might not be pregnant, just fat.

 

[DaveXA]

2 hours, 33 minutes, and 40 seconds.

Lmao. What the hell is this? You screen shotted a slide that was visible for less than half a second. Then expected us to go and find this? Terrible.

 

[SWJJ]

The slide he says is from the FDA is on the screen for less than half a second, Dr. Anderson NEVER referenced the slide, the slide is also not number like the other slides in his set.

 

[Doug B]

I found the time stamp, why can't you after two views? I feel my honor and reputation has been slandered, so I will no longer respond to the slide. People seem more interested in discrediting sources, than answering questions.

Enjoy your empty victory!

I got my answer, so thanks for responding. I will remember this moving forward.

I'll admit when I was wrong. I was wrong. The slide was there. For a split second as Anderson skipped over it. He did not present the slide -- it happened to be in his slide deck, but it was not for presentation.

Still maintain the slide is meaningless. "Here's the kind of stuff we'll be checking for, if need be. Still working it all out, being that this vaccine is still in trials".

None of this stuff -- the stuff from this specific October 2020 FDA presentation -- matters now, anyway. This was all before the vaccines went public. Billions have been served now, and actual data has been collected for 2 1/2 years.

 

[DaveXA]

I'll admit when I was wrong. I was wrong. The slide was there. For a split second as Anderson skipped over it. He did not present the slide -- it happened to be in his slide deck, but it was not for presentation.

Still maintain the slide is meaningless. "Here's the kind of stuff we'll be checking for, if need be. Still working it all out, being that this vaccine is still in trials".

None of this stuff -- the stuff from this specific October 2020 FDA presentation -- matters now, anyway. This was all before the vaccines went public. Billions have been served now, and actual data has been collected for 2 1/2 years.

Yeah, he didn't technically lie, but lol, he could have saved everyone wasted time by posting the timestamp in the first place. Disingenuous either way.

And he never responded to my post about VAERS and how that slide would have been sourced in terms of data points.

 

[Sailorsaint]

Lmao. What the hell is this? You screen shotted a slide that was visible for less than half a second. Then expected us to go and find this? Terrible.

You have to be very quick on the draw to grab that slide! I've tried multple times, guess I'm not so quick on the draw. lol

 

[DaveXA]

2 hours, 33 minutes, and 40 seconds.

I'm gonna restate my take on the slide that wasn't intended to be shown during Anderson's presentation. Recall at the beginning of his presentation he had to ask another individual to make sure he was on the correct slides because he couldn't see what was displayed on his end. He had to state which slide he was on each time.

Regardless, the video posted is a nearly 9 hour advisory committee presentation on a wide variety of topics related to vaccines, effectiveness, safety, strategies, recommendations, etc. A lot of what they discussed were preliminary findings and not intended to be binding or conclusive. Basically they make recommendations on how to improve processes and systems.

The slide you posted was a DRAFT: Working list of possible adverse event outcomes. My belief is that it's based on data collected by the VAERS system which he covered during his presentation. VAERS is not intended to be anything more than a data aggregation method to get preliminary warning on possible adverse events from vaccines. It's not a scientific study or method. The list of adverse events aren't verified. Anyone can fill out the reports and put whatever they want in them. If there are trends that warrant concern, then the CDC or proper agency would run a scientific study to find out if the reporting trend is caused by the vaccine or something else. The list is pretty meaningless without studies to verify the veracity of the reports.

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

vaers.hhs.gov

VAERS | Vaccine Safety | CDC

VAERS is the national vaccine safety monitoring system that accepts reports of adverse events after vaccination. The system can quickly detect potential safety issues with vaccines.

www.cdc.gov

Below is a quote from the linked page.

As an early warning system, VAERS cannot prove that a vaccine caused a problem. Specifically, a report to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused an adverse event. But VAERS can give CDC and FDA important information. If it looks as though a vaccine might be causing a problem, FDA and CDC will investigate further and take action if needed.

I'm not at all discrediting the video. I actually think you're misrepresenting what the screen shot means. That's why I asked you for context which you refused to provide at the time. Now I know why. The slide wasn't intended to be part of the presentation and was up for less than a second.

In any case, I'd still rather let the scientific studies make the case. I'm not an epidemiologist.

Worth restating. A link...well, not even a link, a screenshot with no timestamp initially for a slide that was up for less than a second in a 9 hour video, with zero context is pretty useless.

You should explain why you posted it and why it's meaningful in the context of this discussion. You still haven't answered this.

I stand by my assertion that you're just looking for someone to agree with you. Really the opposite of critical thinking.

I'll evaluate each link and post on its own merits. Some probably are credible, some clearly not.

 

[Nisey55]

This is what happens when every shred of everything anyone has ever said is posted online. A 9 hour presentation would naturally have a million things to point to and critique.