NFL Draft Ashton Jeanty or Tyler Warren? (31 Viewers)

[Judge_Smails]

So linemen can’t be elite talents?

So you’re not into reading comprehension or just being obtuse?

BPA is BPA. Do you need a diagram?

 

[St. Widge]

THIS. People get so wrapped up in addressing positions they look pass the actual players. It's the fallacy of thinking, "if I take a tackle/guard high in the first round, tackle is no longer a need". And it's mindboggling that any Saints fan would still believe this rhetoric after the Saints have attempted to solidify the DE and Oline positions over the last 8 years. Drafting based on position doesn't mean you'll get a good player. The only way to increase your chances of getting a good player is by drafting based on the players available alone. If you continue to replenish the roster with the best players available, the other problems worked themselves out. I promise. Having too many good players is never going to harm a team.

Plus, even the rhetoric about drafting RBs is drastically misunderstood. The QB position is overdrafted because it's an important position. DEs and tackles are overdrafted for the same reason. Players at these 3 positions generally get drafted higher than they should. RBs are less valued, so get drafted later. This is true. BUT it's true of the position over all, NOT the cream of the crop. The RBs that rank as the best over a 5 year time span all go in the top 10. That hasn't changed. Once those guys go off the board, the top RBs for a given year (but not over a 4 to 5 year span), those guys go late 1st and beyond. Why does this happen? Because even though the position is devalued, greatness is not. If Jeanty tests as we think he will, he's going top 8.

The only thing that would stop that is a run on QBs, DEs, and Tackles and I just don't see the talent there this year to do that. Will Campbell is not a dominating top left tackle. I wouldn't pick him at #15 much less #9, but the tackle position is overdrafted so hopefully someone takes him and pushes one of the better players down the board. Shedeur Sanders is also a bottom of the first talent, but he's a QB. Hopefully someone takes him as well.

My point is this. There will be many teams throwing picks at positions rather than at players. I hope the Saints finally decide to stop being one of them. The Eagles do it the right way, I'm hoping KM brings that mentality with him.

If Jeanty is as good as some of you think he is, he'll go top 5. Barkley went #2, Tomlinson went #5, Faulk went #2, and Barry Sanders went #3. Even Ezekiel Elliott went #4 and Adrian Peterson went #7. If Jeanty is as good as some of you think, then he should go in the top 5 and certainly before #9.

So, he either puts up great numbers at the Combine and goes in the top 5 or he doesn't and likely isn't worth the #9 pick because he isn't BPA.

 

[St. Geezy]

If Jeanty is as good as some of you think he is, he'll go top 5. Barkley went #2, Tomlinson went #5, Faulk went #2, and Barry Sanders went #3. Even Ezekiel Elliott went #4 and Adrian Peterson went #7. If Jeanty is as good as some of you think, then he should go in the top 5 and certainly before #9.

So, he either puts up great numbers at the Combine and goes in the top 5 or he doesn't and likely isn't worth the #9 pick because he isn't BPA.

Probably an accurate assessment. If he kills it at the combine and Pro Day, it’ll take a wild sequence of events to occur for him to be there at 9.

Then again, I haven’t seen very many of the so called experts projecting him to go that high, likely due to a combination of team needs and top talent likely to go before him.

 

[St. Widge]

His woefully overmatched offensive line and teammates were also playing against Penn St., who was solely focused on stopping him, and he STILL put up 100+.

On 30 carries for a 3.5 YPC average.

 

[Elvis]

If Jeanty is as good as some of you think he is, he'll go top 5. Barkley went #2, Tomlinson went #5, Faulk went #2, and Barry Sanders went #3. Even Ezekiel Elliott went #4 and Adrian Peterson went #7. If Jeanty is as good as some of you think, then he should go in the top 5 and certainly before #9.

So, he either puts up great numbers at the Combine and goes in the top 5 or he doesn't and likely isn't worth the #9 pick because he isn't BPA.

2025 NFL combine: Ashton Jeanty to skip on-field drills, Boise State RB will reportedly wait until pro day

Another star will sit out on-field work in Indianapolis

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He's skipping the drills at the combine. His draft stock is as high as it's going to get and it can only hurt him.

 

[St. Widge]

Probably an accurate assessment. If he kills it at the combine and Pro Day, it’ll take a wild sequence of events to occur for him to be there at 9.

Then again, I haven’t seen very many of the so called experts projecting him to go that high, likely due to a combination of team needs and top talent likely to go before him.

Or because they don't think he belongs in the category of the guys I listed. From what I've seen, most think Bijan Robison was a better prospect.

At any rate, we will get an objective measure of his athletic ability at the Combine. If he can combine great speed and quickness with his vision and ability to break tackles then he'll probably end up being a top 5 pick. But, he could also end up being Mark Ingram which IMO would mean that he would not be BPA at #9.

 

[St. Widge]

2025 NFL combine: Ashton Jeanty to skip on-field drills, Boise State RB will reportedly wait until pro day

Another star will sit out on-field work in Indianapolis

www.cbssports.com

He's skipping the drills at the combine. His draft stock is as high as it's going to get and it can only hurt him.

Didn't know that. I guess we will have to wait for him to run at his pro-day. If he doesn't do that then it's a red flag for me that he and his agent don't think he will run well.

 

[nakadish]

Or because they don't think he belongs in the category of the guys I listed. From what I've seen, most think Bijan Robison was a better prospect.

At any rate, we will get an objective measure of his athletic ability at the Combine. If he can combine great speed and quickness with his vision and ability to break tackles then he'll probably end up being a top 5 pick. But, he could also end up being Mark Ingram which IMO would mean that he would not be BPA at #9.

If he can have the same kind of impact as Ingram or Kamara, I don't care where the Saints get him as long as they get him.

 

[St. Geezy]

Or because they don't think he belongs in the category of the guys I listed. From what I've seen, most think Bijan Robison was a better prospect.

At any rate, we will get an objective measure of his athletic ability at the Combine. If he can combine great speed and quickness with his vision and ability to break tackles then he'll probably end up being a top 5 pick. But, he could also end up being Mark Ingram which IMO would mean that he would not be BPA at #9.

I mean he’s going like 8th to 12th, which is still pretty darn good, especially in this “cANT tAKE a rb hIGH” environment. NFL.com has his comp as LaDainian. He’s highly decorated.

 

[St. Geezy]

On 30 carries for a 3.5 YPC average.

Versus a stacked team focused on him and matching up against an overmatched OL. That means something and needs to be a part of the assessment.

 

[St. Widge]

If he can have the same kind of impact as Ingram or Kamara, I don't care where the Saints get him as long as they get him.

You don't draft Mark Ingram at #9. You likely don't even draft Kamara at #9 unless you get really unlucky with the players on your board at #9. You would hope that the BPA at #9 would be better than both of those guys.

 

[St. Widge]

I mean he’s going like 8th to 12th, which is still pretty darn good, especially in this “cANT tAKE a rb hIGH” environment. NFL.com has his comp as LaDainian. He’s highly decorated.

12 is his floor mostly because Dallas is seen as desperate for a RB. If they don't draft for need, he could drop further.

The truth is that we don't know at this point where NFL teams will have him on their boards. Those leaks haven't started and teams haven't even stacked their boards yet.

And I'm not sure we are in a can't take a RB high environment when Barkley was recently taken #2, Bijan Robinson went #8, and Gibbs went #12.

 

[St. Widge]

Versus a stacked team focused on him and matching up against an overmatched OL. That means something and needs to be a part of the assessment.

So versus exactly what he would see with many teams, particularly the Saints, in the NFL. That means something and needs to be part of the assessment. As does the level of competition he played against and his level of athletic ability.

He had an amazing year but that is no guarantee he is going to be a star in the NFL especially when the level of competition needs to be taken into account. These are the to 10 years by NCAA RBs. It's a mixed bag as far as NFL success. Most are solid players but few are stars and many that were just good NFL RBs played lower level competition:

1. Oklahoma State RB Barry Sanders (1988): 2,628 yards
2. Boise State RB Ashton Jeanty (2024): 2,601 yards
3. Wisconsin RB Melvin Gordon (2014): 2,587 yards
4. UCF RB Kevin Smith (2007): 2,567 yards
5. USC RB Marcus Allen (1981): 2,342 yards
6. San Diego State RB Rashaad Penny (2017): 2,248 yards
7. Alabama RB Derrick Henry (2015): 2,219 yards
8. Wisconsin RB Jonathan Taylor (2018): 2,194
9. Iowa State RB Troy Davis (1996): 2,185 yards
10. Boston College RB Andre Williams (2013): 2,17

 

[tyler735]

If Jeanty is as good as some of you think he is, he'll go top 5. Barkley went #2, Tomlinson went #5, Faulk went #2, and Barry Sanders went #3. Even Ezekiel Elliott went #4 and Adrian Peterson went #7. If Jeanty is as good as some of you think, then he should go in the top 5 and certainly before #9.

So, he either puts up great numbers at the Combine and goes in the top 5 or he doesn't and likely isn't worth the #9 pick because he isn't BPA.

I thought Christian McCaffrey was the best RB prospect in several years when he was drafted in 2017. He went #8 overall. Feels like splitting hairs here with guys like Adrian Peterson (one of the most hyped RB's ever coming into the draft) going #7 only 2 picks ahead of where we pick. Bijan Robinson was one of the best RB prospects in about 5 years when he was drafted and went #8 overall. To think it's some absurd thing for Jeanty to fall to the back end of the top 10 despite being an elite RB prospect and one of the best over the past 10-15 years seems a bit odd given the examples I provided. Many thought Brock Bowers was the best TE prospect ever (myself included) last year and he didn't get picked until pick #13. Simply put, the draft can work out in strange ways sometimes.

 

[St. Widge]

I thought Christian McCaffrey was the best RB prospect in several years when he was drafted in 2017. He went #8 overall. Feels like splitting hairs here with guys like Adrian Peterson (one of the most hyped RB's ever coming into the draft) going #7 only 2 picks ahead of where we pick. Bijan Robinson was one of the best RB prospects in about 5 years when he was drafted and went #8 overall. To think it's some absurd thing for Jeanty to fall to the back end of the top 10 despite being an elite RB prospect and one of the best over the past 10-15 years seems a bit odd given the examples I provided. Many thought Brock Bowers was the best TE prospect ever (myself included) last year and he didn't get picked until pick #13. Simply put, the draft can work out in strange ways sometimes.

Where did I say it was absurd?

And the point is that most of the elite prospects do go in the top 5 which makes it unlikely for him to fall to #9 if he is an elite prospect. It's not absurd to say he might make it to #9, but if he is elite then it's still not likely given draft history. These guys know the elite guys when they see them.