Bills fan here..... Joe Brady (1 Viewer)

[Abodnar412]

No one wants to coach the saints with their cap Hell situation....or seeing that old fart dancing around with an umbrella

 

[Saint KayBee]

No one wants to coach the saints with their cap Hell situation....or seeing that old fart dancing around with an umbrella

Well this has gone from irreverent fun to kinda weird, is everything okay?

 

[rail]

Folding table concussion?

 

[DSnfla]

Oh oh poor Ken Dorsey

So I guess Tom Brady throwing and smashing a tablet multiple times makes him a bad QB huh?

 

[DSnfla]

How the players respond is literally the most relevant aspect of a midseason coaching change. We just went through this.

Again, playing the results, stripping out any context. You can say “I don’t know who the Bills played against” - it’s fine


I think strife can show itself in more ways than any of us realizes.

Look at where they are a year later

The O responded by being not much better than when Dorsey was OC
Context , They pretty much played against the same amount of top 10 , mid and bottom defenses. Also their D started playing better. In the 1st 10 games the D gave up 18.4. In the last 8 they gave up 15.8. That's almost 3 pts a game and in 4 of those 8 wins after the OC change tat was the difference in a W and an L

Look I'm not saying that Brady is a bad OC or that he may not make good HC in the future. I'm saying that I don;t think he's ready. EVERY place he has had any kind of success he's either not been the playcaller on a the most talented college offense ever, OR he's had an already elite QB

The tweaks he did to the Buff offense was to run the ball more and have Allen run the ball more himself
Maybe you should look more to what Brady did in Car to get an idea of what he'll do.

 

[DSnfla]

Then explain to me why Terry Bridgewater had a career year in Carolina? Also, explain to me how your OC got fired last year because Josh Allen couldn't make him look good, if Josh Allen makes coordinators look good?

The OP makes absolutely zero logical sense.

Bridgewater did not have a career yr under Brady He had better QBR with Min in 2015 , better TD to Int ration in Den in 21. He just threw for more yds in Car

 

[texasjefe]

So I guess Tom Brady throwing and smashing a tablet multiple times makes him a bad QB huh?

Don't be so obtuse. There's a difference in Tom Brady doing it, versus Dorsey embarrassing his organization and in that act, refuting your assertion that he was scapegoated out of there. If head coach wanted him gone the following season after a 5-5 start and the offense playing poorly, then so he cleaned out his office or his padded anger room, wherever he worked. He also was 2-2 in the playoffs and they wanted better. Hello Joe Brady 2024. Maybe that's why you come across so bitter about Joe Brady, since he took Ken's job and bested him to date.

I also chuckle when you blame Joe Brady for Carolina. Find me anyone who thinks the David Tepper-Matt Rhule combo was a good idea. Rhule's now at Nebraska, who will never be able to recruit or NIL their way to Big Ten success. It's been that way for many a year now with Big Red. Rhule is the perfect coach for them and their 3-6 conference output this year.

 

[DSnfla]

Don't be so obtuse. There's a difference in Tom Brady doing it, versus Dorsey embarrassing his organization and in that act, refuting your assertion that he was scapegoated out of there. If head coach wanted him gone the following season after a 5-5 start and the offense playing poorly, then so he cleaned out his office or his padded anger room, wherever he worked. He also was 2-2 in the playoffs and they wanted better. Hello Joe Brady 2024. Maybe that's why you come across so bitter about Joe Brady, since he took Ken's job and bested him to date.

I also chuckle when you blame Joe Brady for Carolina. Find me anyone who thinks the David Tepper-Matt Rhule combo was a good idea. Rhule's now at Nebraska, who will never be able to recruit or NIL their way to Big Ten success. It's been that way for many a year now with Big Red. Rhule is the perfect coach for them and their 3-6 conference output this year.

I could care less about Dorsey, What I see is this absurd amount of praise showered on Brady when it's just not warranted because people don't look at what really happened @ LSU and the context. OK so show me when Brady had any success when HE was in charge and didn't already have an elite top 4 QB. Because it's just not there.

 

[HogsNSaints]

I could care less about Dorsey, What I see is this absurd amount of praise showered on Brady when it's just not warranted because people don't look at what really happened @ LSU and the context. OK so show me when Brady had any success when HE was in charge and didn't already have an elite top 4 QB. Because it's just not there.

Joe Brady in 2020 with Carolina and Teddy Bridgewater averaged 349.5 yards per game. That’s the only job he was ever let go from.

Mike Kafka’s best year in his 3 years as the Giants OC he averaged 333.9 yards per game, and you’ve been arguing for him as a candidate over Brady.

It seems like you are just dismissing a fantastic option with cultural and organizational ties just to be contrarian.

 

[texasjefe]

I could care less about Dorsey, What I see is this absurd amount of praise showered on Brady when it's just not warranted because people don't look at what really happened @ LSU and the context. OK so show me when Brady had any success when HE was in charge and didn't already have an elite top 4 QB. Because it's just not there.

Yeah Brady's not that proven. I'd still rather any of the young OC's over the boredom and playoff herpa-derpa I just watched for 5 years in Dallas. And I'd rather Brady over Kellen Moore, and maybe even Kingsbury.

I just want Loomis to give him and these other guys a serious look. It appears right now that is going to happen. Underhill and Triplett said yesterday that maybe one of these guys (and Weaver) blows the Saints away in their interview.

I will by memory say that from the get-go, 2019 Burrow was a major performance leap over 2018 Burrow. And during that season, Joe Brady was credited with the leap. People did not say it was Ensminger. And yes, we can now say that that LSU offense was stacked, but I don't think anyone was saying that when that season started or even partly throughout. The narrative during the season was that Burrow and Brady have a juggernaut offense.

 

[DSnfla]

Joe Brady in 2020 with Carolina and Teddy Bridgewater averaged 349.5 yards per game. That’s the only job he was ever let go from.

Mike Kafka’s best year in his 3 years as the Giants OC he averaged 333.9 yards per game, and you’ve been arguing for him as a candidate over Brady.

It seems like you are just dismissing a fantastic option with cultural and organizational ties just to be contrarian.

LOL you cherry pick a stat. Yds per game , in fact yrds gained in general is one of the most inaccurate way to judge how good an offense is. Too many variables. If the team is playing from behind the D is playing soft and giving up more yds.
There is 1 offensive stat that matters, points scored. In 2020 Brady's offense was 24th in points scored
1st I could care less about Kafka I made no mention of him , you did.
Cultural ties??? What cultural ties does Brady have? He's from FL he's not part of LA. culture. Organizational ties, he was an offensive assistant for 2 yrs with the Saints. He was the low man on the totem pole of the offensive staff.

I'm not saying that Brady won't be a good HC in the future, I'm saying I don't think he's ready. He being given far too much credit for what he's done . He was not the OC @ LSU and didn't call plays. He brought some of Paytons concepts to LSU , maybe the greatest skilled played ever on a college offense. Yes he has helped Allen be more productive, but Allen was elite BEFORE Brady got there

 

[HogsNSaints]

Yeah Brady's not that proven. I'd still rather any of the young OC's over the boredom and playoff herpa-derpa I just watched for 5 years in Dallas. And I'd rather Brady over Kellen Moore, and maybe even Kingsbury.

I just want Loomis to give him and these other guys a serious look. It appears right now that is going to happen. Underhill and Triplett said yesterday that maybe one of these guys (and Weaver) blows the Saints away in their interview.

I will by memory say that from the get-go, 2019 Burrow was a major performance leap over 2018 Burrow. And during that season, Joe Brady was credited with the leap. People did not say it was Ensminger. And yes, we can now say that that LSU offense was stacked, but I don't think anyone was saying that when that season started or even partly throughout. The narrative during the season was that Burrow and Brady have a juggernaut offense.

Idk what people are doing with the 2019 Brady @ LSU thing. It is wild the redirect.. As a fan of a rival fanbase it was so obvious that the straw that stirred the drink together to create the best college offense I’ve ever seen was Joe Brady.

I think the guys at LSU that stuck around after 2019 tried really hard to downplay it because he was in and out in 1 year, but any fan of LSU that buys it is drinking some Kool Aid. Burrow was 16:5 with < 3,000 yards with Ensminger alone in ‘18 - Brady comes in and he doubles up his yardage and smashes single season records. Brady leaves and Ed O/Ensminger have an atrocious 2020.

People can say whatever they want about inexperience, I will agree. Every elite HC in the NFL was at one point inexperienced. But trying to take 2019 away from Brady is absurd.

 

[nakadish]

No one wants to coach the saints with their cap Hell situation....or seeing that old fart dancing around with an umbrella

So of the guys the Saints have coming in for 2nd interviews, if the Sains make them an offer, they're going to say, "Nah! Not interested in making a million-dollar salary?"

They would be doing the Saints a favor if they're that dumb.

 

[DSnfla]

Yeah Brady's not that proven. I'd still rather any of the young OC's over the boredom and playoff herpa-derpa I just watched for 5 years in Dallas. And I'd rather Brady over Kellen Moore, and maybe even Kingsbury.

I just want Loomis to give him and these other guys a serious look. It appears right now that is going to happen. Underhill and Triplett said yesterday that maybe one of these guys (and Weaver) blows the Saints away in their interview.

I will by memory say that from the get-go, 2019 Burrow was a major performance leap over 2018 Burrow. And during that season, Joe Brady was credited with the leap. People did not say it was Ensminger. And yes, we can now say that that LSU offense was stacked, but I don't think anyone was saying that when that season started or even partly throughout. The narrative during the season was that Burrow and Brady have a juggernaut offense.

By your thinking, you would have turned down Reid when he got fired in Philly. Or would say no to Tomlin if he were available. Probably either Harbaughs as well. McCarthy's success in Dallas is in spite of all the meddling that Jones does . Jones runs the draft, heck I'll bet he even tries to call the plays.

It was common knowledge in BR in 2018 that Burrow and the LSU offense was special and only going to get more special, They won their 1st 5 games and 2 against top 10 teams . Again , Brady was not the playcaller @ LSU Cushenberry was. Brady was not the OC he was the passing game coordinator / WR coach . He was not even the QB coach. What he did was bring some of Payton's concepts to LSU . He get's way too much credit for the greatest group of skilled players ever on a college offense.

I have no problem hiring a young OC or even a DC that has the experience and the skins on the wall and most of all the leadership qualities as the next HC . But Brady at this time has not shown any of that to me

 

[DSnfla]

Idk what people are doing with the 2019 Brady @ LSU thing. It is wild the redirect.. As a fan of a rival fanbase it was so obvious that the straw that stirred the drink together to create the best college offense I’ve ever seen was Joe Brady.

I think the guys at LSU that stuck around after 2019 tried really hard to downplay it because he was in and out in 1 year, but any fan of LSU that buys it is drinking some Kool Aid. Burrow was 16:5 with < 3,000 yards with Ensminger alone in ‘18 - Brady comes in and he doubles up his yardage and smashes single season records. Brady leaves and Ed O/Ensminger have an atrocious 2020.

People can say whatever they want about inexperience, I will agree. Every elite HC in the NFL was at one point inexperienced. But trying to take 2019 away from Brady is absurd.

You obviously don't know about LSU. In 2018 everyone in BR knew that Burrow was on the verge of something special along with Jefferson , Chase and CEH. Yeah let's compare 2019 with 2020 when Burrow , Jefferson and CEH are gone and all that's left is Chase and he opted out. Yup , that's a real good comparison. SMH

As I have said before , Brady was not the OC @ LSU , he was not even the playcaller, Cushenberry was. Even Ensminger said so. Brady brought some of Payton's concepts to LSU . Brady was the passing game coordinator /WR coach , not even the QB coach

You don't know LSU