Analysis Cap Implications of Keeping and Cutting Derek Carr (65 Viewers)

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StudioSaint said:
The word hate gets thrown about too quickly and too lazily. That's why nothing I said had anything to do with anyone hating anyone else.
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Sorry I don't mean to specifically tag that to you, there is just a serious belief with a lot of the pro-Carr folks that the only reason people are against him is because of a personal vendetta against the player vs a differing vision of the team. While you may not be saying people "hate" Carr, the general point of what I wrote still stands.
 
VolSaint said:
Sorry I don't mean to specifically tag that to you, there is just a serious belief with a lot of the pro-Carr folks that the only reason people are against him is because of a personal vendetta against the player vs a differing vision of the team. While you may not be saying people "hate" Carr, the general point of what I wrote still stands.
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I don't see it as hating Carr. I see it as very badly wanting Rattler to be the starter which leads to being hypercritical and close minded about any QB on the Saints' roster that might keep them from getting to see Rattler as the starter.
 
StudioSaint said:
I don't see it as hating Carr. I see it as very badly wanting Rattler to be the starter which leads to being hypercritical and close minded about any QB on the Saints' roster that might keep them from getting to see Rattler as the starter.
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I get that and that's a fair point. I'm just saying that I think most of the people who want to cut Carr want to for long term cap reasons vs wanting Rattler to start. I get what you're saying because it's def easy to get locked into the idea of one guy starting, but I think a ton of the discourse is dismissed because people claim the other side only wants one scenario because of an emotional reaction to a player, whether that be Carr or Rattler.
 
VolSaint said:
I get that and that's a fair point. I'm just saying that I think most of the people who want to cut Carr want to for long term cap reasons vs wanting Rattler to start. I get what you're saying because it's def easy to get locked into the idea of one guy starting, but I think a ton of the discourse is dismissed because people claim the other side only wants one scenario because of an emotional reaction to a player, whether that be Carr or Rattler.
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I never said or thought anything about anyone having an emotional reaction. I think some people put too much stock in a QB having a strong arm. That's an issue of people having different priorities. It's not an issue of an emotional reaction as far as I'm concerned.
 
StudioSaint said:
I think the people who are very adamant about cutting Carr and starting Rattler want Rattler to be the starter first and foremost. I think even they know that if Carr's on the team he starts over Rattler, so that's why they want Carr cut.

They want to clear Carr out of the way and just anoint Rattler the starter without him having to compete for it. Even they know, Rattler wouldn't be able to beat out Carr this year.
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I’m the odd duck who wants Carr cut and also thinks Rattler should start only because he’s terrible (imo) and can drive this tank perfectly fine.

Zero against Carr, he just isn’t the future (don’t think Rattler is either) so feel it’s best to turn the page.

I believe the team is lacking talent all over and will struggle to win 6 or 7 games. I’m good with that as I hope they get a top draft pick and nail it in 26. Im excited about the new coach, new schemes….etc.

We’ve got to nail the next couple of drafts…
Oh I also agree with you that the word hate is thrown around all too often.
 
VolSaint said:
I also just wanna point out how awesome it is that it's 4:30 am where I am and there are still people up talking about the Saints. Mad respect for this website.
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It’s been around since 97, you’re just finding it?

Used to have SR crawls too that were a ton of fun.
 
If you cut Carr you cannot fix our D...
It was horrible last year and we are paying too many players on our D that don't earn their salaries anymore...
We can't cut both Carr & these players & stay salary cap compliant..

We can't improve our poorly ranked D with players that can no longer run, cover, & tackle like NFL players!
If you cut Carr, we will be stuck with these players for a couple more years & our D will be terrible no matter what base we use...
In order for our team to improve in 2025, these are the players that need to be cut...not Carr!


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VolSaint said:
If we restructure Carr, we can pretty much keep the same squad but have a potential horrible cap situation in the future. If we release Carr, we will have around the same amount of cap space now, but a much better outlook 2026.

Basically:
Keep Carr -> Kick can down the road
Release Carr -> Out by 2026
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So you're saying that the Saints either commit to Carr as their starter for the next few years, or they take the hit now (meaning accept that 2025 will become an undeniable rebuilding year) and let Moore begin assembling his squad as he wishes beginning in 2026. I'm totally okay with the latter. Any other decision is simply thinking short term.

Frankly it seems that the biggest issue with the Saints moving back into relevancy are all the high dollar contracts on aging veterans who may not even be serviceable starters by the time coach Moore gets to hand pick the kind of young players he wants for his team in the next few drafts. Fans may not enjoy going into a 'total rebuild' season this year, but if our new coach is anything close to being the football guru that he's touted to be, he needs the time to make us champions again without all the handcuffs of keeping guys who may not fit his system.

The Saints obviously can't ship off every player this year whose contract is taking a huge bite out of the salary cap. But the best thing about having a new coaching staff is that they don't owe any of these players anything. There are no 'favorites' on the roster this year. If they don't fit (or can't adapt to) the new schemes, they could/should be among the first casualties of our crippling cap situation. I think the new coaches already understand this. The fans need to accept it as well.

I know that teams want fans to fall in love with their star players to add to the emotional attachment they feel. But there are times when we need to think more about 'the uniform' than the players wearing them. I really believe that Moore will find & develop new 'stars' for us to cheer for. As far as I'm concerned this needs to start sooner than later. It's time to rip off the bandage all at once and get this rebuild started!
 
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Bill said:
So you're saying that the Saints either commit to Carr as their starter for the next few years, or they take the hit now (meaning accept that 2025 will become an undeniable rebuilding year) and let Moore begin assembling his squad as he wishes beginning in 2026. I'm totally okay with the latter. Any other decision is simply thinking short term.

Frankly it seems that the biggest issue with the Saints moving back into relevancy are all the high dollar contracts on aging veterans who may not even be serviceable starters by the time coach Moore gets to hand pick the kind of young players he wants for his team in the next few drafts. Fans may not enjoy going into a 'total rebuild' season this year, but if our new coach is anything close to being the football guru that he's touted to be, he needs the time to make us champions again without all the handcuffs of keeping guys who may not fit his system.

The Saints obviously can't ship off every player this year whose contract is taking a huge bite out of the salary cap. But the best thing about having a new coaching staff is that they don't owe any of these players anything. There are no 'favorites' on the roster this year. If they don't fit (or can't adapt to) the new schemes, they could/should be among the first casualties of our crippling cap situation. I think the new coaches already understand this. The fans need to accept it as well.

I know that teams want fans to fall in love with their star players to add to the emotional attachment they feel. But there are times when we need to think more about 'the uniform' than the players wearing them. I really believe that Moore will find & develop new 'stars' for us to cheer for. As far as I'm concerned this needs to start sooner than later. It's time to rip off the bandage all at once and get this rebuild started!
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No, I'm not saying commit to Carr...
Carr can be released next June & not be as nearly of a salary cap hit as this year...
 
Some on hear thinks it a Carr v Rattler thing it’s not. It’s about how to get back to a competitive level quicker. If Carr isn’t the future as most say and plan on cutting him in 26 why wait. Then I heard restructure Carr and sign Fields. That is never going to happen. Fields wouldn’t come here with Carr on the roster he wants a chance to start. You have a better shot at him with Carr gone. If they cut Carr they will bring someone in to compete with Rattler. Fields may see that as a person he could beat out as a starter and decide to come here. Then you let Rattler and whatever vet that comes in battle for QB1, and hopefully it will make them both better. Carr will be a 40 mil dollar man in 25 and if on the roster he will be the starter coming into the season because they aren’t going to pay him just to sit. Now keeping the job during the season could change. I just don’t want to see what we saw in 23. He was obviously playing hurt, but didn’t want to come off the field. All along while DA force feed him on us while playing hurt and saying he was the best option.
 
MikeyF said:
No, I'm not saying commit to Carr...
Carr can be released next June & not be as nearly of a salary cap hit as this year...
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That’s just not true. If he’s restructured his $30m salary and $10m roster bonus gets pushed out and get added his prorated bonuses in 2026 and to his void years. With his salary in 2026 at $50m and his 2026 portion of prorated roster bonus from the restructure being over $19m, you’d have to carry over $69m until June. That’s like $18m more than a June 1 cut this year. There might more some more room next year, but that’s a lot of extra cash the team would have spent while making his number much larger in 2026 just to keep a QB that isn’t the long term solution regardless.
 

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