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The "what are you reading" thread gave me the idea to kick off a comic book discussion thread. I was kind of surprised that we didn't have one going already, seeing as we have a rather diverse crowd of comic lovers. So, to get this one going, I bring this news:

https://screenrant.com/superman-costume-action-comics/

And I couldn't be more excited by it! :)
 

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Rezing this thread to ask if anyone has checked out the Jonathan Hickman X-Men relaunch/reboot/re-establishment/whatever with House of X and Powers of X. Not sure where it's all going as of yet but it's gotten me back into the mutant books after many years of not reading new stuff from them at all, and several of the new titles they announced at SDCC have piqued my interest. I've been down on Marvel's overall output for a while now, but the X-Men are my sentimental/historical favorite family of books, so I'm at least happy to see them getting pushed the fore again after quite a few years of them languishing due to crazy Ike Perlmutter and the Fox movie rights.
Yeah, I'm reading them as well. The one thing I don't like is there different titles. If it's the same story that you have to follow, just give it one title and leave it alone. I would imagine some, who don't read all three way to the end might miss that you have to read both.

The story itself is very intriguing. I would imagine before it's all said and done that there will be swerves and I fully expect that either "Charles," or whoever body he's inhabited, will get screwed by Eric (or the other way around).

The X-book I'm looking forward to is Excalibur. It's original namesake, X-Calibur, was my favorite X-book after X-Factor. It's going to be nice to see this new version with a new leader.

I also appreciate Marvel allowing their new class of artist take a crack. We've all talked in the past about how DC was blowing them out of the water with talent. At least some new blood is getting a crack at it.

Marvel also better hope that Hickman has a long story planned out. He's already on record saying that after X-Men, all of his other dream projects are at DC.

My one final concern is that this Hickman universe will be great and awesome, and then once we get closer to the X-Men joining the MCU, it's all going to go away.
 
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Not sure if yall are fans of Nerdrotic on Youtube, but I just watched this video on the comic industry and it sounds like, barring a miracle, the big two aren't long for this world. This makes me all kinds of sad.

 
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Not sure if yall are fans of Nerdrotic on Youtube, but I just watched this video on the comic industry and it sounds like, barring a miracle, the big two aren't long for this world. This makes me all kinds of sad.

First, let me preface this by saying I'm not buying into the DC doomsaying just yet. It's all based around an article that originated from Forbes that basically uses the fact that DC has a small SDCC presence and that the CEO of AT*T didnt mention them in a profile piece. The rest of it is just hypotheticals and numbers analysis. There's not much meat on the bone. But let's entertain the possibility for a moment...

Whatever Marvel's recent failings as a publisher (and they have been substantial), Disney will keep them alive as an IP farm for the foreseeable future. They can afford to run them at a loss for decades and not even notice it. There may be cuts and downsizing, but the big brands will survive.

DC's position is, in theory, more precarious. Like he says in the video, Warner has never really known what to do with DC. It has always been the redheaded stepchild of their catalog of companies and brands, and there is big time corporate upheaval over there since the AT&T acquisition. The corporate person currently in charge of DC has them as part of a portfolio including theme parks and other assorted odds and ends. It's not a premiere focus for them. I could absolutely see them selling or spinning off DC in some way in the foreseeable future. Not saying it will happen, just that I think it's somewhere in the realm of possibility.

(Hell, wouldn't it be something if Disney ended up owning DC too?)

But at the end of the day, any comics fan that is being honest with themselves realizes that the industry, or at least the biggest and most corporate part of it, has been on a slow march towards oblivion since the market crash of the 90's. That event was like a loved one having a stroke or something. They survived, but they were never the same, and even though there are good days and bad days, the longer time goes on the more bad days there are than good.

I mean, even Dan DiDio just today or yesterday spoke out on the fact that things like variant covers and marketing gimmicks designed to appeal to the speculator market are creating the illusion of a comic book industry that is healthier than it actually is. And he's not wrong on that. He also pointed out at SDCC that in some cases the facsimile edition reprints of old issues they do are outselling the current books. There are more people buying reprints of old comics than new ones, which he said was a failure on the part of DC to engage the audience. He's been pretty candid about a lot of industry things recently.

Not trying to be a downer about it. And I do think, whatever the mid term future holds, there will still be Marvel and DC books to buy. But things are at a crossroads for the industry in many different ways. Right now both Marvel and DC's greatest assets are the IPs and the value to their parent companies, not as publishers. And I think too often that's showing up in the quality of the books.
 
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First, let me preface this by saying I'm not buying into the DC doomsaying just yet. It's all based around an article that originated from Forbes that basically uses the fact that DC has a small SDCC presence and that the CEO of AT*T didnt mention them in a profile piece. The rest of it is just hypotheticals and numbers analysis. There's not much meat on the bone. But let's entertain the possibility for a moment...

Whatever Marvel's recent failings as a publisher (and they have been substantial), Disney will keep them alive as an IP farm for the foreseeable future. They can afford to run them at a loss for decades and not even notice it. There may be cuts and downsizing, but the big brands will survive.

DC's position is, in theory, more precarious. Like he says in the video, Warner has never really known what to do with DC. It has always been the redheaded stepchild of their catalog of companies and brands, and there is big time corporate upheaval over there since the AT&T acquisition. The corporate person currently in charge of DC has them as part of a portfolio including theme parks and other assorted odds and ends. It's not a premiere focus for them. I could absolutely see them selling or spinning off DC in some way in the foreseeable future. Not saying it will happen, just that I think it's somewhere in the realm of possibility.

(Hell, wouldn't it be something if Disney ended up owning DC too?)

But at the end of the day, any comics fan that is being honest with themselves realizes that the industry, or at least the biggest and most corporate part of it, has been on a slow march towards oblivion since the market crash of the 90's. That event was like a loved one having a stroke or something. They survived, but they were never the same, and even though there are good days and bad days, the longer time goes on the more bad days there are than good.

I mean, even Dan DiDio just today or yesterday spoke out on the fact that things like variant covers and marketing gimmicks designed to appeal to the speculator market are creating the illusion of a comic book industry that is healthier than it actually is. And he's not wrong on that.

Not trying to be a downer about it. And I do think, whatever the mid term future holds, there will still be Marvel and DC books to buy. But things are at a crossroads for the industry in many different ways. Right now both Marvel and DC's greatest assets are the IPs and the value to their parent companies, not as publishers. And I think too often that's showing up in the quality of the books.
Good points. I'll just say this and get you guys' thoughts...

1. Dan DiDio is an idiot and is part of the problem. When he talks about the problems with the industry, he needs to include the roles he played in it.

2. As long as at isn't to the Mouse, I would love to see DC owned by someone who would actually take care of it. I would think it'll be another big corporate entity that might add to the problem, but one can dream can he?
 
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Oh yeah, DiDio commenting on the industry's failings is absolutely like an arsonist saying "this fire is too hot, it could get dangerous." He has plenty of proverbial blood on his hands as far the overall health and stability of the industry goes.

I've kind of wondered who could hypothetically buy DC that isn't Disney, and I can't really come up with an obvious answer from the major conglomerates. Someone would jump on it, though. The brands alone are too valuable.
 

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Oh yeah, DiDio commenting on the industry's failings is absolutely like an arsonist saying "this fire is too hot, it could get dangerous." He has plenty of proverbial blood on his hands as far the overall health and stability of the industry goes.

I've kind of wondered who could hypothetically buy DC that isn't Disney, and I can't really come up with an obvious answer from the major conglomerates. Someone would jump on it, though. The brands alone are too valuable.
My first thought are Apple and Netflix (I know they have most of Millar's property, but meh). And never count Jeff Bezos out. He buys shirt just for the hell of it sometimes.
 
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I just guess as a Superman fan, I don't want to see new stories going away any time soon. I don't suppose that would happen with the big characters, anyway, though.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Bezos grab DC. If he's got enough money to give his ex many billions in a divorce, he's got a little to toss at DC.
 

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I just guess as a Superman fan, I don't want to see new stories going away any time soon. I don't suppose that would happen with the big characters, anyway, though.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Bezos grab DC. If he's got enough money to give his ex many billions in a divorce, he's got a little to toss at DC.
Some Superman stories need to go away and never return (see the New 52 continuity, the current Bendis run, etc.).
 
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Some Superman stories need to go away and never return (see the New 52 continuity, the current Bendis run, etc.).
Yes, I'm all for volunteering to go back in time to prevent the New 52 from taking place. I'm way behind on the Bendis run (shocking, I know), so I can't comment on that as much.
 

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Yeah, wherever this ends up going you can't say Hickman isnt swinging for the fences with it. Such a great reveal that really added to the stakes/scope of not just this story but the entirety of X-men history.
Yep. It explains a lot, but asks so many new questions. I was not expecting that at all.
 
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I'm going to Shreveport next weekend and I imagine I'll hit up the LCS there. Should I pick up House of X? I don't read Marvel, but if it's that good, I'd check it out.
 

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I'm going to Shreveport next weekend and I imagine I'll hit up the LCS there. Should I pick up House of X? I don't read Marvel, but if it's that good, I'd check it out.
So here's the thing...

If you read House of X, you also have to read Powers of X as well. It's an intertwined story. What my LCS told me issue 2 of House of X is sold out and Marvel screwed over the direct market again by requiring orders of 2 and 3 before issue 1 came out. He said he had to order extra from an LCS in London at cover price, plus duties.
 
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So here's the thing...

If you read House of X, you also have to read Powers of X as well. It's an intertwined story. What my LCS told me issue 2 of House of X is sold out and Marvel screwed over the direct market again by requiring orders of 2 and 3 before issue 1 came out. He said he had to order extra from an LCS in London at cover price, plus duties.
Aw damn, so I may or may not be able to even find copies of issues 1 and 2 for these two titles? Well, I guess I'll see what they have. But story wise....is it good or not the usual Marvel mess of recent times?
 

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Aw damn, so I may or may not be able to even find copies of issues 1 and 2 for these two titles? Well, I guess I'll see what they have. But story wise....is it good or not the usual Marvel mess of recent times?
Aww man. Like Sun said, thus far, it completely resets what you once thought about the X-Men, especially if you've followed them a while, including some of the recent mess we've dealt with.
 

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