Dennis Allen on Graham being inactive earlier in the season: “Let’s start focusing on what we need to do moving forward" (1 Viewer)

[AARPSaint]

Man... Dennis knows how to make a memorable statement. I feel like we are going to be quoting him till the end of time

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
____Winston Churchill

There's a pretty good quote.

 

[DSnfla]

That statement about JG being inactive is a microcosm of what is wrong with DA and why he will NEVER be even an average HC . He should have never been brought back this season even if we had Brees in his prime as QB
DA MUST GO DA MUST GO DA MUST GO

 

[Filaphill]

Wake me up when the Dennis Allen regime is gone.

 

[NUSaintsfan]

This is his way of not throwing Carmichael under the bus. I'm sure in a perfect world he would have liked to allow Pete the freedom to make all the decisions and be a minor league version of Sean. He just hasn't been and Allen has to ride this out.

The HC's responsibility is to inject himself when his coaches aren't maximizing a game plan and LEAD the team. DA is not a leader, he was promoted out of a position of relevance (Peter Principle) into a position he lacks the acumen and traits to be successful.

There is more to leadership than being a good eye for talent (which Allen does as a DB coach) or run a decent defense (as DC).

DA's comment further highlights his inadequacies and the reason why he stated the importance of looking forward rather than scrutinizing the previous decision.

Sean Payton said, in his farewell presser, that we had a great candidate in the building for his replacement.

What a load of garbage.. he knew. He was fine with us settling for a turd sandwich.

My personal belief is that Sean knew this and promoted DA as a means to make himself look better. Granted, I'm cynical of most human intentions...

Someone used a good band analogy on a different post. You can't take the lead singer of a band away, throw in another 'dude' and expect it to be the same band.

 

[Taker597]

Wake me up when the Dennis Allen regime is gone.

See you in a year sleeping beauty

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

The HC's responsibility is to inject himself when his coaches aren't maximizing a game plan and LEAD the team. DA is not a leader, he was promoted out of a position of relevance (Peter Principle) into a position he lacks the acumen and traits to be successful.

There is more to leadership than being a good eye for talent (which Allen does as a DB coach) or run a decent defense (as DC).

DA's comment further highlights his inadequacies and the reason why he stated the importance of looking forward rather than scrutinizing the previous decision.



My personal belief is that Sean knew this and promoted DA as a means to make himself look better. Granted, I'm cynical of most human intentions...

Someone used a good band analogy on a different post. You can't take the lead singer of a band away, throw in another 'dude' and expect it to be the same band.

He's not a great motivator is what you're looking for. And I'd have to agree but that doesn't mean you can't build around his other strengths. For Allen, I think he needs an OC/Assitant HC that has a bit more bite. It's all about the structure of a team and do you have the right components functioning around the HC. While it makes sense to tear it down, it also financially doesn't. I mean you could be the raiders if you want, but I think with age comes wisdom and Loomis has learned to be patient.

You must marry DA with the right OC/Assistant HC. That's an easier move than trying to bring in a new staff ground up and expect it to work in year 1 or even 2. At least with the noted option if you get it right you can see it pay immediate dividends in 2024

 

[mither_rome]

You’d think spending all that time in the room with Payton would have made this guy serviceable as a head coach. The only thing he’s managed to emulate is Sean’s press conference word quirks, except the “I think this” is followed by 2 minutes of verbal diarrhea.

Sad part is, we lost a really good DC when we promoted him to the position of setting back the franchise 20 years.

 

[Elvis]

Sean Payton said, in his farewell presser, that we had a great candidate in the building for his replacement.

What a load of garbage.. he knew. He was fine with us settling for a turd sandwich.

Maybe he was talking about Darren Rizzi and not DA?

 

[No2DC]

Maybe he was talking about Darren Rizzi and not DA?

Two things. Sean's coaching tree is not impressive (Campbell may be the only success), and two in-house replacements do not work. It was a lazy hire and I do not think Lucky Loomis wants change at this point in his career

 

[Elvis]

Two things. Sean's coaching tree is not impressive (Campbell may be the only success), and two in-house replacements do not work. It was a lazy hire and I do not think Lucky Loomis wants change at this point in his career

I fully agree. Loomis didn't necessarily want the best coach for the team. I think he wanted to avoid learning all new people and personalities in the offices which a brand new coach would bring with him.

 

[NUSaintsfan]

He's not a great motivator is what you're looking for. And I'd have to agree but that doesn't mean you can't build around his other strengths. For Allen, I think he needs an OC/Assitant HC that has a bit more bite. It's all about the structure of a team and do you have the right components functioning around the HC. While it makes sense to tear it down, it also financially doesn't. I mean you could be the raiders if you want, but I think with age comes wisdom and Loomis has learned to be patient.

You must marry DA with the right OC/Assistant HC. That's an easier move than trying to bring in a new staff ground up and expect it to work in year 1 or even 2. At least with the noted option if you get it right you can see it pay immediate dividends in 2024

One doesn't have to be a rah rah type coach to be successful but he obviously lacks in other parts of leadership such as providing direction to his coaches or ensuring the correct personnel are suited up based on what he wants as the HC.

Agreed 100% that DA needs a a stronger personality as his OC, but that also takes someone with confidence (dare I say cockiness). Both, from an OC and from the HC. Do you think DA would accept a younger version of Sean Payton or a Dan Campbell? I think he likes the idea of having that person but actually having that person on the team would burn him up. It's almost as if he suffers from professional low self-esteem which leads me to my next point.

Agreed about complimentary coaches and it appears DA assembled a staff with personalities similar to his personality.

Being that you mentioned Loomis, he is the root of the problem. From the contracts he has weighed this team down with to the FAs he let walk while bringing on aged veterans, he should have went outside the building when Payton left.

As for the two courses of action (keep and modify the staff or burn it down and start anew)- I choose the latter as the payoff could be better in the long run. That being said, I don't see the next coach winning with how the team is currently structured both from a personnel position and financial position.

 

[mr.t]

In other words I screwed up but won't admit it. Typical

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

As for the two courses of action (keep and modify the staff) or burn it down and start anew- I choose the latter as the payoff could be better in the long run. That being said, I don't see the next coach winning with how the team is currently structured both from a personnel position and financial position.

Precisely why you have to return to Allen. You either get an immediate payout in year 3 or you cut ties. Or you cut ties now but you know that the next HC basically has to be given 2-3 years just to dig out of the hole and come even, and perhaps another year or 2 to start winning consistently.

As far as DA accepting something, he'd be wise to accept anything that prolongs his tenure as a HC. Can't let ego get in the way of what's best.

And what's best is him being paired with someone that allows him to just focus on the defensive side of the ball. Let's not forget the 1st two weeks of the season the defense was playing lights out, somewhere during that period DA likely had to start popping up in the offensive meetings etc. That took away from his time and attention in the defensive room and they faltered because of it. I also don't think DA isn't a detail oriented coach. Hell, how many coverage gaps have you seen in his tenure here? Sure it happens but it definitely isn't what it was prior to his arrival.

I don't think Loomis is the root of the problem because I don't think the current circumstance is a problem more than it's another p word ie process, and he understands that.

 

[sfidc3]

He's not a great motivator is what you're looking for. And I'd have to agree but that doesn't mean you can't build around his other strengths. For Allen, I think he needs an OC/Assitant HC that has a bit more bite. It's all about the structure of a team and do you have the right components functioning around the HC. While it makes sense to tear it down, it also financially doesn't. I mean you could be the raiders if you want, but I think with age comes wisdom and Loomis has learned to be patient.

You must marry DA with the right OC/Assistant HC. That's an easier move than trying to bring in a new staff ground up and expect it to work in year 1 or even 2. At least with the noted option if you get it right you can see it pay immediate dividends in 2024

Hard disagree, no OC is going to magically make DA a leader of men.....and to say that is not absolutely critical characteristic of a good HC is to be tone deaf.....it's been 2 seasons almost of this garbage, when is enough, enough?

New coaching staffs are sometimes successful sooner rather than later, sometimes it take a few years and sometimes they aren't ever. But the notion of sticking with a status quo that has been an absolute dismal failure makes zero sense to me

 

[SaintsMan209]

I'm wondering if Jimmy Graham was the secret weapon for the Saints in their playoff run but because we were so terrible they had to use him JUST TO MAKE IT.