Derek Carr world tour thread (updated with combine visits) (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

Carr was the Raiders’ QB for nine consecutive seasons and, during that time, became the team’s all-time passing leader with a total of 35,222 yards and 217 touchdowns.

Drew threw like 31 to 34 thousand at 202 Td first 9 years

Brees had SP for a large extent of that....so come on... open your eyes Carr is going to blow up in the right system

I tend to think so. A can recall a lot of fans didn't want Brees. They thought he was too short, and not athletic enough and coming off of a serious injury. I was ecstatic when Brees was signed. I always liked him coming out of Perdue and thought he'd be a great fit. I don't know that Carr will be another Brees, but I do think he's going to be solid.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Brees has had amazing olines.



Guys it's literally the Raiders.. that would be like if Brady decided to go to the Falcons..instead of Bucs.. you think Falcons would've won a superbowl?

If Carr is near Watson #s then yeah he's definitely worth and literally the 4th quarter come backs are off the charts.


We would be insane to not match and take carr.

Did he…or was his decisiveness and ability to read defenses and get the ball out quick make the OL look better than they really were. We have had some good OL personnel…Evans, Nicks, Ramczyk, and Armstead were all good players. But there is no question that Brees contributed to their greatness. I don’t think that any of them would have looked near as good with Andy Dalton at QB.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

Carr was the Raiders’ QB for nine consecutive seasons and, during that time, became the team’s all-time passing leader with a total of 35,222 yards and 217 touchdowns.

Drew threw like 31 to 34 thousand at 202 Td first 9 years

Brees had SP for a large extent of that....so come on... open your eyes Carr is going to blow up in the right system

So, you are counting Brees' rookie season where he played 1 game as a "season." Drew threw for over 35,000 yards and over 230 TDs in his first 9 seasons actually playing (including 4 in a relatively run heavy offense in SD).

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Did he…or was his decisiveness and ability to read defenses and get the ball out quick make the OL look better than they really were. We have had some good OL personnel…Evans, Nicks, Ramczyk, and Armstead were all good players. But there is no question that Brees contributed to their greatness. I don’t think that any of them would have looked near as good with Andy Dalton at QB.

His depleted arm strength made him have to get rid of the ball quickly before the WRs got out of range. So as a side effect it made him look quicker to decide and the OLine better in terms of protection.

 

[silverbullet]

Carr might thrive in the right system. Does anyone think Allen and Carmichael are the right system for any QB?

 

[Saint Spud]

Carr might thrive in the right system. Does anyone think Allen and Carmichael are the right system for any QB?

Honestly, this argument has been made a bunch of times in this thread and in the thread you created about the same topic.

If you feel like it’s 100% hopeless to try to help the team under the current regime, that’s your right. But it also doesn’t add much to the conversation here when it’s been rehashed over and over and this particular thread is about the player and where he may go.

JMO

 

[DaveXA]

Carr might thrive in the right system. Does anyone think Allen and Carmichael are the right system for any QB?

No, but the next coach might be if Allen gets canned after this season. The right coaching staff and offense can go far with Carr and decent enough talent on offense.

 

[silverbullet]

Honestly, this argument has been made a bunch of times in this thread and in the thread you created about the same topic.

If you feel like it’s 100% hopeless to try to help the team under the current regime, that’s your right. But it also doesn’t add much to the conversation here when it’s been rehashed over and over and this particular thread is about the player and where he may go.

JMO

Agree and I'll stop. It is utterly hopeless with Allen IMO and I've checked out as a fan completely. Barely watched half the games last year they were so boring and uninspired.

This is the most I've thought of the Saints in months.

 

[Judge_Smails]

And you also have the inside track to the guy who had the 2nd best QBR Last season (Dalton) for 1/8th of the price.

Unless those Dalton numbers were BS and we're all just going to pretend that we didn't boast about those numbers as a justification to keep him in

Maybe I'm the only one who finds that funny

I am with you there. He saw enough from Andy to explain that he had his back and still trotted him out there for the last two months when we were putting 14 pts a game even with Andy’s excellent stats.

 

[DaveXA]

Agree and I'll stop. It is utterly hopeless with Allen IMO and I've checked out as a fan completely. Barely watched half the games last year they were so boring and uninspired.

This is the most I've thought of the Saints in months.

I feel that. And I think a lot of fans feel the same. Not much we can do about it at this point other than to bail or weather the storm. I'm still a fan, but my expectations are wayyy down from a year ago. I'm not really expecting much and if Allen stinks it up another season, hopefully Gayle and Loomis step up and make the necessary changes.

And fwiw, we value your opinion, so even if discouraged, we're all in this together, even when we disagree.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

No. Because Carr wasn’t in our building running our offense.

The whole idea here is that you have a QB who ran a version of our offense very well. Then a new coach came in and his skills didn’t mesh with the new coach and system.

Edit; QBR is also a different stat entirely. And even in those PFF grades, no one was objectively trying to argue they proved Dalton was on the same level as some of the players close to him in those rankings like Mahomes, Allen, etc.

There are levels to all of this.

I'm curious...do you use wheels, tank treads, or rails to shift those goalposts so quickly...impressive

Sorry about the delay, I've been busy being wrong in the Kamara thread

 

[Judge_Smails]

It’s not overpaying. It’s literally the going rate for a QB in that tier.

And if you’re not advocating bottoming out, what are you advocating? You either pay for a QB in that tier, pay $20 million for a borderline starter, or pay Andy Dalton money for…Andy Dalton.

That is your opinion. I think we can get solid enough statistical play from someone affordable and not overcommit to/over pay a mid-level QB for the same results and especially when it will make the GM more likely to give the loser HC more time to wreck things.

Fix the OL and RB situation, add another WR. Fix the DL and let Dennis show us that his defense first, power run based strategy can work. Why would he need to spend $40 million a year on a year mid-tier QB, if he is trying to win every game 17-13?

 

[Saint Spud]

I'm curious...do you use wheels, tank treads, or rails to shift those goalposts so quickly...impressive

Sorry about the delay, I've been busy being wrong in the Kamara thread

The discussion is about Derek Carr.

Andy Dalton’s PFF grade has nothing to do with Carr. The PFF grade is subjective and was only to point out that he wasn’t as “terrible” as people on here were making him out to be.

As far as Carr vs Andy Dalton? If that’s really what you’re asking? There are years of evidence showing Carr is much better.

 

[Big_L]

That is your opinion. I think we can get solid enough statistical play from someone affordable and not overcommit to/over pay a mid-level QB for the same results and especially when it will make the GM more likely to give the loser HC more time to wreck things.

Fix the OL and RB situation, add another WR. Fix the DL and let Dennis show us that his defense first, power run based strategy can work. Why would he need to spend $40 million a year on a year mid-tier QB, if he is trying to win every game 17-13?

In the losses, the opposing QB puts up 43 yards. Don't forget that about Dennis Ball.

 

[Saint Spud]

That is your opinion. I think we can get solid enough statistical play from someone affordable and not overcommit to/over pay a mid-level QB for the same results and especially when it will make the GM more likely to give the loser HC more time to wreck things.

Fix the OL and RB situation, add another WR. Fix the DL and let Dennis show us that his defense first, power run based strategy can work. Why would he need to spend $40 million a year on a year mid-tier QB, if he is trying to win every game 17-13?

The OL isn’t nearly as bad as our QB situation is.

We need a RB for sure. That can be addressed in the draft.

And yes. These are all opinions. But all you have to do is look at recent QB contracts to see where opinion turns in to fact relative to viable starters. Last year’s deals took a big jump. And this year’s will likely do the same. Just the way it is.