Derek Carr world tour thread (updated with combine visits) (2 Viewers)

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Judge_Smails said:
They called Burrow elite after he led his team to a SB in his first season as a starter and rightfully so. Not saying who is “better,” but why wouldn’t Jalen be considered elite for doing the same thing?
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JB only played 10 gms in his rookie yr as a starter. He also inherited a very bad team and elevated them. Also when playing full seasons JB put up elite numbers. Hurts has yet to. Hurts also inherited a team only a few yrs ago won a SB
 
jahsoul357 said:
Park ball has motion than our offense and I’m glad more people are starting to see that play calling was a bigger issue than anything this season. Some of us have been saying this since the beginning of the season. This offense had the makings to take us back to the prime Brees days but we got the play calling for the post shoulder injury 2017-2020 Brees. Add that plus predictable sets and zero motion….trash. If anyone thinks any QB can fix that play calling, I don’t know what to tell you.
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Injuries were the biggest issue for us last season. THEY dictated a lot of the play calling along with low confidence in AD and JW. Throw in DA's wanting to run a conservative O. PC did very well in 2012 in SP absence. He didn't forget how to call a good game
 
jahsoul357 said:
2012 Pete called an offense based on one that the Saints haven’t ran since 2016. Maybe CSP kept that playbook


If this is true, then we might have a case of an OC that can draw up plays but can’t scheme for personnel, which is not good. Again, this is just looking into how we came out of the gate. It “worked” out because Dalton is a conservative QB. So what if that was the plan all along. *reaching for aluminum foil fedora*
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You insinuate that we went from the highest power offense in 2016 to the single wing. It's not that great of a difference. PC was very very involved in play design including scheming for personnel. And all the scheming in the world won't make up for poor execution and when you have back-up to back-up starting that's the first thing that suffers
 
Bill said:
The choice between these two suitors is obviously about money. It's not like he has to include 'probability of success' into the equation.
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Not at all, his relationship with DA is a big plus for us. The state of the NFCS and the NFC in general. Not having to play outdoors in NY in the winter. I also think PC will be more agreeable to let DC be in more control than Hackett. Plus if you listen to his interviews he's not all about the $
 
DSnfla said:
JB only played 10 gms in his rookie yr as a starter. He also inherited a very bad team and elevated them. Also when playing full seasons JB put up elite numbers. Hurts has yet to. Hurts also inherited a team only a few yrs ago won a SB
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Both are ascending stars that are 0-1 in SB appearances. You try to diminish the guy that got there this year.

Luckily we’ll get to see both show out for a lot of years, barring injuries. Let’s revisit down the road.
 
Rouxble said:
His last deal was basically four years $140m with $25m guaranteed. He only got paid the $25m, and didn’t get a penny from a single year of his three-year extension.

I don’t think his agent will let that happen to him again, they are likely going for a bigger first year cash amount this time. Spotrac estimates his AAV at $38m/yr, which would be 10th overall for QB’s. If that’s his market, that could very well put his first year payout at $50m or more, based on the ten biggest QB contracts having a first year cash that averages 140% of the AAV.
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I think it will be as far as salary goes all about the guaranteed $
 
No2DC said:
What are there holes outside of qb? Didn't they have the OROY? Division games are always tough, so why do you think our division will be a pushover if we land Carr?
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Olave and Wilson's stats are almost identical and Wilson got 30 more targets and played in 2 more games than Olave. Wilson won because he plays in the largest market. Not saying he isn't a good WR but it's really a push
 
J.T. said:
I know many people refuse to consider taxes when this issue comes up, but let's make some basic assumptions (they are not true, but close) and assume that a QB makes, on average $40 million per year over 3 years. That is $120 million. Now lets assume that player pays all of his taxes in the state in which his team is based. (Doesn't happen this way, but just assume it as fact.)

Player signs in New Jersey, State Income Tax is 10.75%, so player pays $21 million in State Income Taxes over the life of the contract. (I know it is less because his per game salary is taxed where he plays and NJ has an extremely high state income tax rate, but this is the simplified version.)

Player signs in Louisiana, State Income Tax is 4.25%, so player pays $5.1 million in state income taxes over 3 years. (North Carolina is close to Louisiana and is at 4.99%)

Player signs in Florida, zero state income tax, player pays zero state income tax. (I know he will pay tax on game checks on away games, but this sort of averages out in most situations. I also think signing and roster bonuses are paid and taxed in the home state of the team.)

You have to think that at some point taxes come into play for some players and agents. The difference between New Jersey Jets and Tampa Bay Buccaneers is at least $15 million over three years, and potentially higher. That's some pretty serious money there and averages about $5 million per year. Louisiana is maybe about $3.5-4 million a year "better" than New Jersey.

What I am getting at, if Jets made offer of $40 million/year, Saints could pay $37 million and Tampa could pay $35 million/year and Carr would be about in the same financial boat. (I assume any contract would be very heavily weighed towards bonuses and that is probably taxed my the home state, so per game check varying taxes does not play a huge part.)
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Cost of living as well, a 30ml a yr salary in our area is like a 50ml salary in NY
 
DSnfla said:
You insinuate that we went from the highest power offense in 2016 to the single wing. It's not that great of a difference. PC was very very involved in play design including scheming for personnel. And all the scheming in the world won't make up for poor execution and when you have back-up to back-up starting that's the first thing that suffers
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The offense absolutely changed from 2015 to 2016 to 2017 and it had everything to do with Drew's shoulder injury. We went from a vertical offense to the dink and dunk that we saw in his later years. That carried over but the problem is it is different when you don't have CSP calling the plays and Drew running them.

And scheming is everything when you scheme for personnel.
 
StudioSaint said:
What else do you like about the Saints and have a positive opinion of besides Winston?
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If this is what you get from my post, then I know you reply to me with nothing to add. You are replying to a post about me saying the Jets run game being dang near equivalent to ours this season; the end.
 
jahsoul357 said:
The Jets run game is actually dang near equal to ours. They averaged 4.2 yards a carry while we averaged 4.3. We just ran the ball 60 more times than they did.
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Breece Hall missed a big chunk of the season. He’s a stud. We have an aging Kamara facing suspension. Wilson and Olave are about as equal as they come. I would be surprised if Carr wanted to hitch his wagon to Dennis Allen over Robert Saleh. Certainly, the Saints play in a worse division. But I hate having that as our biggest selling point
 

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