Do you think aliens in ufos have visited Earth? (And all things UFO) (30 Viewers)

[Booker]

Yes, religion has a habit of moving the goalposts whenever something contrary to their belief is proven or provided. I'm thinking that the line would be "God created the universe and inhabited it with beings after his image, but his image is always changing and is perceived differently by many.".

They may feel compelled to "save the heathens". We may all fall victim to their version of smallpox.

You should try the NOG (name of god) translation on a bible website sometime -- it's interesting to see how "God" evolved from El to El Elyon to Elohim to Yahweh, and all the little clues referencing polytheism and other gods as it evolved towards monotheism.

Btw, I haven't read it, but this book literally came out a month ago...

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How big is the universe? Does intelligent extraterrestrial life exist somewhere in the universe? If so, how much extraterrestrial intelligent life (ETI) might there be? And if it is there, is it moral? Would they have a religion? And what would their existence say about human religions, theology, and beliefs?

In short, is the existence of ETI incompatible with the belief in God, with certain religions and their theologies?

These are the questions that Pearce (a philosopher) and Adair (a scientist who has worked on SETI - the search for ETI) seek to answer in this book. They take a close aim at Christian theology, focusing on previous claims of prominent astrotheologians who claim that there are no considerable problems that ETI existence causes for their belief systems. Pearce and Adair, however, show in this wide-ranging book (that touches on science, philosophy, psychology, and theology) that Christian (and other religious) belief is indeed threatened by the existence of ETI.

Would aliens be fallen creatures, requiring salvation through atonement and the resulting incarnation of God? Would one Jesus suffice, or would the universe require trillions of Jesuses, many existing simultaneously? This, and many other such questions are discussed in this engaging book that adds to the growing discipline of astrotheology (and perhaps astro-atheology).

 

[Mamba]

Btw, I haven't read it, but this book literally came out a month ago...

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I wonder if they interact with any respected, trained Christian theologians.

I do agree that the existence of ETI is incompatible with the most simplistic Christian theological systems. But ironically, the world of Christian thought is much deeper, wider, & more complex that the average American Joe assumes.

I don’t know of one creedal foundation of Christianity that would be in jeopardy with the revelation of ETI’s existence.

 

[Sailorsaint]

I wonder if they interact with any respected, trained Christian theologians.

I do agree that the existence of ETI is incompatible with the most simplistic Christian theological systems. But ironically, the world of Christian thought is much deeper, wider, & more complex that the average American Joe assumes.

IMO, I don’t know of one creedal foundation of Christianity that would be in jeopardy with the revelation of ETI’s existence.

What about the belief that the Earth is only 6,000 years old? And many believe that the Bible tells them the Earth is flat with a dome of water covering it. The more contemporary christians may not have a problem with ETIs, but there is a large majority that will claim they aren't aliens but are servants of the devil.

 

[Mamba]

What about the belief that the Earth is only 6,000 years old? And many believe that the Bible tells them the Earth is flat with a dome of water covering it. The more contemporary christians may not have a problem with ETIs, but there is a large majority that will claim they aren't aliens but are servants of the devil.

I don't know about large majority. But you're right that for many this would rock their world.

 

[Booker]

I wonder if they interact with any respected, trained Christian theologians.

I do agree that the existence of ETI is incompatible with the most simplistic Christian theological systems. But ironically, the world of Christian thought is much deeper, wider, & more complex that the average American Joe assumes.

I don’t know of one creedal foundation of Christianity that would be in jeopardy with the revelation of ETI’s existence.

What about the belief that the Earth is only 6,000 years old? And many believe that the Bible tells them the Earth is flat with a dome of water covering it. The more contemporary christians may not have a problem with ETIs, but there is a large majority that will claim they aren't aliens but are servants of the devil.

As Mamba stated, it would just evolve, and believers would adapt their beliefs.

This is the known universe of the Old Testament...


...and this is the known universe around 2000 years ago, when the New Testament was written (God lives on Saturn by the way, after his ejection and fall Lucifer lives around the moon, and paradise/the Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve lived before their literal fall to earth, is on Venus)...


...and this is the known universe today.

 

[Sailorsaint]

As Mamba stated, it would just evolve, and believers would adapt their beliefs.

This is the known universe of the Old Testament...


...and this is the known universe around 2000 years ago, when the New Testament was written (God lives on Saturn by the way, after his ejection and fall Lucifer lives around the moon, and paradise/the Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve lived before their literal fall to earth, is on Venus)...


...and this is the known universe today.

I know what the reality is but, there are many, many, that still subscribe to the Old Testament description of the universe vehemently. If they haven't changed their belief about the nature of the universe by now, will they change their view if ETIs show up? Or will they implode and result in violent protests? Are the aliens going to be another intelligent species or agents of the devil?

 

[Mamba]

I know what the reality is but, there are many, many, that still subscribe to the Old Testament description of the universe vehemently. If they haven't changed their belief about the nature of the universe by now, will they change their view if ETIs show up? Or will they implode and result in violent protests? Are the aliens going to be another intelligent species or agents of the devil?

Who knows? But I think the people you describe are on the extreme fringe.

 

[Sailorsaint]

Who knows? But I think the people you describe are on the extreme fringe.

Yes they are. But there are a lot of them. Granted, they may not be the majority, but they are loud and have a tendency towards violent rhetoric when something/someone refutes their belief. I really think that society as whole will NOT self destruct if this news was confirmed and made public, but there will be lots of unrest.

 

[efil4stnias]

Who knows? But I think the people you describe are on the extreme fringe.

IT would ultimately come down to how it was "framed" and delivered to the ultra religious. I hold out hope that it wouldnt be " them v us" type rhetoric, buuuutttt.......


and i say this with the main belief that its our government that is the main reason we dont know about Alien/ETI vehicles, life forms - just as you posited a page back and I several before it. This whole " mankind isnt ready" trope is the cover. THEY aint ready to share.

 

[Sailorsaint]

I'm still waiting on someone to adequately explain the UFOs over DC back in 1952. Temperature inversion my arse. There is just too much evidence, eye witnesses (air controllers and pilots), radar, and film.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2002/07/21/50-years-ago-unidentified-flying-objects-from-way-beyond-the-beltway-seized-the-capitals-imagination/59f74156-51f4-4204-96df-e12be061d3f8/

 

[EGLSShin]

I think what you're going to see going forward is this build up to a soft disclosure over the next few years to get people ready. If Aliens were revealed today, you'd have mass hysteria, I know a lot of religious folk personally that told me it would shatter their entire world if aliens or some non-human intelligence not from this world are real. Supposedly these hearings on the things Grusch alleged will be happening sometime in July unless congress has to table it due to something big happening in Ukraine.

 

[Bleu Raeder]

I think what you're going to see going forward is this build up to a soft disclosure over the next few years to get people ready. If Aliens were revealed today, you'd have mass hysteria, I know a lot of religious folk personally that told me it would shatter their entire world if aliens or some non-human intelligence not from this world are real. Supposedly these hearings on the things Grusch alleged will be happening sometime in July unless congress has to table it due to something big happening in Ukraine.

If aliens were revealed today there would be mass hysteria among certain masses. I could speculate about those who would be hysterical about this, but I believe it would be among the less educated, less traveled group of folks. I think the shock would be widespread, but overall there be more of a worry about how this changes things if it at all does. It all comes down to immediate threat and what that threat is. Here is a basic list of threats to humans:

- Pandemics (are they infected with or carrying something we cannot counter and is that dangerous to humans?)
- War (can they destroy us or destroy the Earth? Do they want to? Did they come in peace?)
- Systems/Financial Collapse (does their existence pose a threat to our political, economic, communications, or other systems?)
- Loss of biodiversity (does their presence endanger species that the Earth and its people rely on for living?)
- Intelligence (artificial or natural - and all that comes with advanced intelligence)
- Climate change (does their presence further the deterioration of Earth's climate?)

Let's say we have some crashed ships and alien bodies.
- Are they still here?
- Have we learned anything from the technology?
- Who actually has them? We cannot assume the USA has exclusive access.
- Does the presence of these artifacts reveal any immediate threat to our country? Hemisphere? World?
- How long have we known?
- Is there more than one "group" or "race" or "biology"?

I could go on, but once a handful of big questions have been answered only certain groups will be interested in the details.

Let's say we have live aliens.
- How many?
- Can we communicate with them, even if it is only rudimentary communication?
- Can we communicate with them well enough to know if they present any sort of immediate threat?
- Do we understand their biology enough to understand how their presence and microbiota affect those around them?

Again, a complex set of things arise and present many more questions for those concerned with the details. The TV preacher, politician, and talking heads will not concern themselves with anything outside of the questions of immediate threat. Some will take shallow dives but only a small group will want any more than the basic details. Those who are curious have already observed what they've observed and would not participate in the hysteria. Those in the business of hysteria will rejoice because they'll have extra tools with which to feed their followers.

I can recall checking out "Chariots of the Gods" from the library in the late '60s and have followed along relatively voraciously since then and this is what I base my speculation (and questions) on for now. I'm one of the curious, one of the ones who may have suspected all along that we knew something more than we've let on.

 

[EGLSShin]

 

[Sailorsaint]

Set to record just in case LSU goes long.

 

[bonnjer]

Please update later.