ESPN’s Mel Kiper mocks Ole Miss QB Jaxson Dart to Saints at #9 (20 Viewers)

[syracuse saint]

I’m highly convinced that if there any other QB, not named Sheduer Sanders, who threw for 4100K yards, 74% completion, and 37 TDs vs 10 INTs, then everyone would want to sell the farm for him. Look, I’ll admit that his attitude/bravado is off putting to a lot of people, but to say he’s not worth a top 20 pick is ridiculous. Give me a guy with his level of confidence, along with his accuracy, and pocket presence

I agree. His name is Kyle McCord. He threw for 4,800, not 4,100 though. Oh, and you can get him in the 3rd round, not number 9 overall. No baggage either. Studies film like Drew.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I agree. His name is Kyle McCord. He threw for 4,800, not 4,100 though. Oh, and you can get him in the 3rd round, not number 9 overall. No baggage either. Studies film like Drew.

McCord is better than Sanders and if McCord was the son of PrimeTime throwing to Travis Hunter, McCord would be in discussions for top 5 pick as well. Oh, and unlike Sanders, McCord actually beat another ranked team and only lost to 2 unranked teams instead of 4.

Yes, Sanders is trash. Not because he's personally a trash player. But because all of his fame is media driven with his Dad and is horribly overhyped by the media which created a fake trash persona of an incredible football player which he's not. He's just not first round pick material. At all. McCord was literally better in every way and against better competition, and without a heisman trophy winner to throw to, yet he's a 3rd round pick? ok.

 

[evilsaint]

I agree. His name is Kyle McCord. He threw for 4,800, not 4,100 though. Oh, and you can get him in the 3rd round, not number 9 overall. No baggage either. Studies film like Drew.

Nope DNQ. 34tds to 12ints at 66% completions.

 

[syracuse saint]

Nope DNQ. 34tds to 12ints at 66% completions.

Good points. I'd take my chances on McCord in 3rd round and keep my 9th overall instead of Sanders and Dart.

 

[SweetT]

I agree. His name is Kyle McCord. He threw for 4,800, not 4,100 though. Oh, and you can get him in the 3rd round, not number 9 overall. No baggage either. Studies film like Drew.

Kyle is cool and I like his game, but 74% vs 66%. This board used to go bananas over Drew’s accuracy, now it’s not even a footnote in football discussions for Sanders.

 

[RJS]

Kyle is cool and I like his game, but 74% vs 66%. This board used to go bananas over Drew’s accuracy, now it’s not even a footnote in football discussions for Sanders.

Sanders super power is his accuracy. I have concerns that he may already be tapped out in advancement due to his coaching but he does a lot of things well. I thought Daniel Jeremiah put it well earlier...Shedeur is from the same tree as Joe Burrow. Not close to the same branch, but the same tree.

 

[syracuse saint]

Kyle is cool and I like his game, but 74% vs 66%. This board used to go bananas over Drew’s accuracy, now it’s not even a footnote in football discussions for Sanders.

Sanders accuracy is crazy and underrated. He throws deep passes at 66%. One thing that skews his numbers though is he throws a lot of short passes and completes short passes at 91%. McCords strength is intermediate and long passes, including ball placement on those passes. Many of McCords short passes are throwing the ball at feet of RB or TE on broken plays.

I'm not saying no way to Sanders or Dart. I'm saying no way at number 9 overall. We have too many needs and I would be okay taking a chance on McCord with a 3rd. If I had my wishes, I would love to see us trade down to 20, with Denver, and stockpile picks, and use one of those added picks on McCord.

 

[srcampbell]

Dart is going to be a superstar! Let’s get him!

 

[St. Widge]

Kyle is cool and I like his game, but 74% vs 66%. This board used to go bananas over Drew’s accuracy, now it’s not even a footnote in football discussions for Sanders.

To be fair, god like accuracy only got Brees drafted as the #1 pick in the 2nd round.

I do agree that Sanders has great accuracy and in the right system he could be very good. But he does lack Drew's pocket awareness and ability to step up in the pocket to make throws. If Sanders can learn to do that and work his arse off to know where everyone is going to be every second of every play, he could be very good.

But the concern is that Sanders has already had the best coaching money and fame can buy so how much better is he going to get?

 

[Booker]

The last time the Saints had an opportunity to draft that high was 2017. They wanted Mahomes, and were going to to take him but the Chiefs moved up and the rest is history. The was roughly 8 years ago. There's no telling when we'll be picking 9 again, if a QB is there that you love....you take him or move up for him. Nobody remembers how much the Chiefs payed to move up to 8...they just know they currently have Mahomes and are perennial SB contenders.

No price is too large to pay if you think a guy can solidify you for the next 10 years at the most position in football.

So the Chiefs moved to the 10th pick which was owned by the Bills, who passed on Mahomes as they went with Tyrod Taylor that year before drafting Josh Allen a year later. I think it's safe to say that the Chiefs are quite content with their end of the trade.

For Buffalo, in exchange for passing on Mahomes (and ultimately cursing their franchise to lose to him in the playoffs year after year), they got picks that were used (or traded for other picks that were eventually used) to draft the following players:

CB Tredavious White - 1st team All Pro 2019, Pro Bowler 2019 & 2020, seven seasons in Buffalo, now with Baltimore
WR Zay Jones - 3 seasons with Buffalo, now with Jacksonville
G Dion Dawkins - still with Buffalo (8 seasons), voted to the last 4 Pro Bowls
LB Tremaine Edmunds - 5 seasons in Buffalo, Pro Bowler 2019 & 2020, now with Chicago

So that's one 1st team All Pro and eight Pro Bowls amongst the four players, vs. Mahomes alone with two league MVP's, two 1st team All Pro and six Pro Bowl selections, and five Super Bowl appearances with three Super Bowl wins and three Super Bowl MVP's.

 

[SweetT]

To be fair, god like accuracy only got Brees drafted as the #1 pick in the 2nd round.

I do agree that Sanders has great accuracy and in the right system he could be very good. But he does lack Drew's pocket awareness and ability to step up in the pocket to make throws. If Sanders can learn to do that and work his arse off to know where everyone is going to be every second of every play, he could be very good.

But the concern is that Sanders has already had the best coaching money and fame can buy so how much better is he going to get?

I agree with something you said earlier about Sanders holding onto the ball too long and scrambling around in the pocket, which leads to sacks, but he does step up into the pocket pretty well. Dude is fearless when it comes to that. He doesn’t mind if the defense is collapsing and if he takes a big hit. That part is concerning bc NFL players are bigger and stronger, so he may take a good bit of “remember me” shots.

Everyone should know how I feel about what we should do in this draft. I want skill position players. Give me 2 TEs (which may not be possible now with the JJ contract) and a RB. Plus, the rumblings here in Charlotte is the Panthers want Warren.
So, I won’t settle for a WR. If Tet is there, which I doubt he will be, then run to the podium. Finish off the next two picks with at least a TE and a RB.

Now, IF Sanders is there at #9, then the FO will have to have some conversations bc obviously we need a franchise QB going forward. Although I did like what I saw from Rattler

Btw, when I referenced Drew’s accuracy, I meant his accuracy in the NFL. He wasn’t that accurate in college. I’m just saying that ungodly talking points for accuracy, should be considered across the board. Not for a few select. If a player is accurate then they are accurate. It’s literally one of the main things, if not the main thing a QB should be.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I didn't want to start a new thread on this so I'll just post it here.

Did you know that Derek Carr got injured on a 2nd and 10 run w/ 4:06 left in the 4th Quarter? From a decision making POV...doesn't it make sense there to live to fight another down? Perhaps ending up 3rd and 2 with your wrist intact and no concussion?

So the Chiefs moved to the 10th pick which was owned by the Bills, who passed on Mahomes as they went with Tyrod Taylor that year before drafting Josh Allen a year later. I think it's safe to say that the Chiefs are quite content with their end of the trade.

For Buffalo, in exchange for passing on Mahomes (and ultimately cursing their franchise to lose to him in the playoffs year after year), they got picks that were used (or traded for other picks that were eventually used) to draft the following players:

CB Tredavious White - 1st team All Pro 2019, Pro Bowler 2019 & 2020, seven seasons in Buffalo, now with Baltimore
WR Zay Jones - 3 seasons with Buffalo, now with Jacksonville
G Dion Dawkins - still with Buffalo (8 seasons), voted to the last 4 Pro Bowls
LB Tremaine Edmunds - 5 seasons in Buffalo, Pro Bowler 2019 & 2020, now with Chicago

So that's one 1st team All Pro and eight Pro Bowls amongst the four players, vs. Mahomes alone with two league MVP's, two 1st team All Pro and six Pro Bowl selections, and five Super Bowl appearances with three Super Bowl wins and three Super Bowl MVP's.

You’re right. Chiefs moved up 17 spots and gave up 2 1st and a 3rd.

We need to move up 8 spots and I don’t get the impression the Titans are married to a QB. Not sure what the cost is but I’d pay 2 1st and a 3rd.

 

[St4ever]

Not at 9, maybe trade up to the end of the 1st, but earliest I would take him.

I do see Dart going top 10 though, just not to us.

Last time we tried this we got Mark Ingram and he turned out really well! Wasn’t Jorden the first pick then?

I am good with trading back up to get him late in the round but he’s a really big reach at #9

 

[treeduck]

His "hair" is on too tight.

 

[Saint KayBee]

Last time we tried this we got Mark Ingram and he turned out really well! Wasn’t Jorden the first pick then?

I am good with trading back up to get him late in the round but he’s a really big reach at #9

Yep, Jordan was 1-24, Ingram was 1-28, traded the 2012 1st to get Ingram. The silly Bountysham stuff might have cost the Saints that pick anyway, so getting Ingram is fine by me