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sonicboom said:
Do you believe the ship initiated the right turn well before the 13 second mark, or about the 13 second mark?

Also, when do you believe the pilot initiated the hard left turn in the video? Would it be after the power is cut at the 13 second mark?


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All of your assumptions makes my head hurt. To know what actually happened, you'd need to know numerous variables that can't be seen just by looking at the video. It really doesn't matter what you believe what what happened based on the video because you're not seeing close to the full picture.

Just a few things to consider...

1. History of incidents for this and other of the same type of ships. This isn't a new problem.
2. Who was actually piloting the ship.
3. Was this mechanical malfunction or pilot error or something else?
4. How did the ship lose power? The lights going off and on doesn't necessarily tell us when the engines shut off or if they regained power.
5. What were the conditions of the currents. Currents are strong enough to move ships, especially when they aren't tied down. Anchors are pretty useless in stopping a ship with no power and caught in a strong current.
6. It typically takes months and years to investigate incidents like this. To think we can know what happened from a video and incomplete data just hours and days after is absurd.
7. There's certainly more I'm probably not thinking of at the moment. But until proven otherwise, the simplest explanation is a maritime accident. This has happened before, and likely will happen again.
 
sonicboom said:
Do you believe the ship initiated the right turn well before the 13 second mark, or about the 13 second mark?

Also, when do you believe the pilot initiated the hard left turn in the video? Would it be after the power is cut at the 13 second mark?


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Coming from a very good source, there is no indication nor evidence to show that there were nefarious activities behind this. Sometimes, an accident is just that: and accident.

They are looking into the fuel of the ship (was it bad fuel which then in turn shut the engines and power off and the black smoke after the power came back on. Think of your lawn mower with bad gas. It just shuts down), they are looking into the ship itself and the electrical system, they are looking into everything.
 
I'm still waiting on a statement or quotes from the captain and/or crew of the Dali
 
Optimus Prime said:
I'm still waiting on a statement or quotes from the captain and/or crew of the Dali
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I'd be surprised if they're allowed to comment. The company they work for probably would tell them they can't comment on the accident for a lot of reasons.
 
MarylandWHODAT said:
You bring up a great point.

The summer traffic is banana’s as it is and now, they are going to have to find a new way to get here so Wilmington, Delaware down is going to be a major way to get to the beach. I work in Millsboro, DE and it is a nightmare as it is. 35 miles takes me an hour. Rt. 113 is clogged as it is and the only way to the beaches are single lane roads. So you have thousands and thousands of beach goers coming here and they had three ways to get out of Baltimore. Now, they have two and Delaware is going to be that more congested. Wonderful…….
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Assateague baby…!
 
DaveXA said:
I'd be surprised if they're allowed to comment. The company they work for probably would tell them they can't comment on the accident for a lot of reasons.
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100%. The crew will only be talking to the authorities and with counsel present.

What will be fun is the upcoming discussion we're all going to have over the Limitation of Liability Act of 1851 that allows the shipowner to limit its total liability to the value of the ship after the casualty.

The owners of the Titanic were able to limit their liability to the value of the lifeboats under this statute.

The Feds are going to buy a new bridge anyway so its not all that relevant I guess but its one of the weirder facets of maritime law.
 
MarylandWHODAT said:
You bring up a great point.

The summer traffic is banana’s as it is and now, they are going to have to find a new way to get here so Wilmington, Delaware down is going to be a major way to get to the beach. I work in Millsboro, DE and it is a nightmare as it is. 35 miles takes me an hour. Rt. 113 is clogged as it is and the only way to the beaches are single lane roads. So you have thousands and thousands of beach goers coming here and they had three ways to get out of Baltimore. Now, they have two and Delaware is going to be that more congested. Wonderful…….
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I don't get why FSK bridge being down would send beach traffic up to Wilmington DE? The Chesapeake Bay Bridge is the one that connects Eastern Shore and Western Shore? If THAT were down then yes we'd be talking about a huge detour up through Delaware.
 
Mr. Sparkle said:
100%. The crew will only be talking to the authorities and with counsel present.

What will be fun is the upcoming discussion we're all going to have over the Limitation of Liability Act of 1851 that allows the shipowner to limit its total liability to the value of the ship after the casualty.

The owners of the Titanic were able to limit their liability to the value of the lifeboats under this statute.

The Feds are going to buy a new bridge anyway so its not all that relevant I guess but its one of the weirder facets of maritime law.
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Point of order - value of the vessel and pending freight. 🤪

But there is still a lot of insurance involved and Lloyd’s has already estimated the total loss to be in the billions and enough to potentially impact the industry, though both Lloyd’s and Morningstar believe the losses are within capability.

 
2009ring said:
I don't get why FSK bridge being down would send beach traffic up to Wilmington DE? The Chesapeake Bay Bridge is the one that connects Eastern Shore and Western Shore? If THAT were down then yes we'd be talking about a huge detour up through Delaware.
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Very true, yet a lot of those northeast of Baltimore folks use the FSK to travel down to 695 then to Rt. 97 or Rt. 2 to 50 and then on over to the Chesapeake Bay Bridge.

The thought is instead of dealing with double the traffic now in Baltimore, the northeast Baltimore folks will just take 95 up to Wilmington and then head down 113. Will it happen? Possibly but who knows. Beach traffic is chaotic any way you slice it......
 
What will the new bridge be named? Cos it sure as heck won't stay Francis Scott.

Follow-up question: What will our new national anthem be?
 
MarylandWHODAT said:
Coming from a very good source, there is no indication nor evidence to show that there were nefarious activities behind this. Sometimes, an accident is just that: and accident.

They are looking into the fuel of the ship (was it bad fuel which then in turn shut the engines and power off and the black smoke after the power came back on. Think of your lawn mower with bad gas. It just shuts down), they are looking into the ship itself and the electrical system, they are looking into everything.
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i am betting the engines were all diesel and with all the cranking they were probably doing to get them running it is just what happens when you get a diesel going...black (fuel) smoke
 

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