Ft Worth police officer shoots woman to death inside her home (4 Viewers)

[wnelson]

every officer involved should be charged for the crime. it needs to be tried in federal court and they all need to be charged with second degree murder and conspiracy to cover up the crime after the fact. if the evidence supports this claim let justice be done.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Yeah, that definitely looks like someone who would shoot through a window with no provocation

 

[Maxp]

This woman was killed because she opened her door to let the cool breeze blow through her house by the police. What the hell were the police doing sneaking around? What policy were they following? This wasn't even a no knock raid, which should be illegal. It's sickening and terrifying.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Article about these shootings that makes some interesting points about the ‘War on Cops’
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.......The law permits the police officers to use lethal force if they have a reasonable fear for their safety or for the safety of others.

Courts have consistently held that, when considering the potential liability of a police shooting, we should consider only the facts known to the officer at the time.

That’s understandable. We can’t hold police officers accountable for information they didn’t have.

But reasonable isn’t the same thing as legitimate or accurate. And if police officers are seeing threats where there clearly are none, it makes sense to start asking why.

This is where the rhetoric of police groups and their supporters comes in. Law enforcement advocates such as the National Rifle Association, police unions, conservative politicians and, of course, President Trump regularly tell us there’s a “war on cops.”

They describe police work with words usually reserved for the battlefield. They fuel the mistaken belief that relatively rare incidents such as roadside ambushes are common. They equate criticism and oversight of police with violence.

And they cite small increases in the number of police fatalities year to year with percentages without providing the proper context — that violence against law enforcement has dropped to the point where even small increases look large when expressed as percentages...........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/14/atatiana-jefferson-was-victim-war-cops-rhetoric/

 

[FullMonte]

Yeah, I know its late, but why not announce their prescence somehow quite visibly. Maybe briefly run the siren. They are almost acting like intruders, themselves.

They aren't going to run the siren in a neighborhood (especially in a case where there's a potential burglar) because they don't want to attract a bunch of neighbors looking to see what's going on.

 

[Madmarsha]

Atatiana Jefferson's neighbor regrets calling the cops: ‘If you can’t feel safe with the police department, then who do you feel safe with?’

James Smith says he called authorities for a welfare check on his neighbor, Atatiana Jefferson, who was fatally shot by police.

www.yahoo.com

 

[B4YOU]

horrible. and yes, he should be criminally charged for neglect homicide. No officer is trained to fire at a silhouette through a window.

He has been charged with murder. He did not identify himself and approached a call of an open front door gun drawn. He shot an unarmed woman through a window. Anything less than 2nd degree homicide would be a disaster.

 

[Cage1]

I can't stop thinking about what would have happened if he had missed and she had grabbed her legal firearm and defended herself, killing the officer. They'd have put her under the jail.

What defense would someone, particularly a black person, but really anyone, have against a rogue officer who just decides he's going to start firing?

 

[Charlie Brizzown]

I can't stop thinking about what would have happened if he had missed and she had grabbed her legal firearm and defended herself, killing the officer. They'd have put her under the jail.

What defense would someone, particularly a black person, but really anyone, have against a rogue officer who just decides he's going to start firing?

Video and audio recordings from multiple angles.

 

[Cage1]

Video and audio recordings from multiple angles.

Have you ever heard of a case of someone killing a cop and getting off on self defense? I imagine it's rare, if not nonexistent.

Edit: It looks like it does happen, but most still spend time in jail for lesser sentences like manslaughter. https://thecrimereport.org/2019/06/10/is-there-a-right-of-self-defense-against-police/

 

[Maxp]

Have you ever heard of a case of someone killing a cop and getting off on self defense? I imagine it's rare, if not nonexistent.

Edit: It looks like it does happen, but most still spend time in jail for lesser sentences like manslaughter. https://thecrimereport.org/2019/06/10/is-there-a-right-of-self-defense-against-police/

Not inside a house, but rather a fenced in backyard.

EXCLUSIVE: Homeowner who shot OPD officer was “in fear of my life”

We spoke exclusively with the homeowner who shot an Owensboro police officer.

www.wave3.com

I believe the guy ended up getting a 2 years probation after which his record would be wiped clean for some sort of low level felony.

Man Charged With Killing Burleson County Deputy No Billed by Grand Jury

A Somerville man, charged with Capital Murder in the shooting death of a Burleson County Sheriff's Deputy, has been no-billed by a Grand Jury.

www.kbtx.com

Here Grand Jury did not find any evidence of a crime

here a guy was charged, but jury found him not guilty https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/jury-exonerates-virginia-man-shot-cops-entering-home-mistake/
i rememebr reading that he eneded up getting a settlement from the city, but not sure.

This describes a few, including the case of Marvin Guy whose case is somewhat similar to McGee's (and in the same state) but Guy has been facing murder charges for 5+ years now. Looked for an update and could not find one: https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/a...-injuries-should-police-rethink-the-practice/

Still not comforting. We really need new procedure in play where this can't even happen.

 

[Brad Mojo]

They don't give a damn if their cop is guilty, all they care about is protecting the shield.

Just like the NFLPA

 

[CapitalCitySaint]

They aren't going to run the siren in a neighborhood (especially in a case where there's a potential burglar) because they don't want to attract a bunch of neighbors looking to see what's going on.

I thought they don't run the siren because they don't want to alert the "perpetrators" that they are on the way so they don't flee and they can still corner them and catch them in the house?

 

[JimEverett]

Article about these shootings that makes some interesting points about the ‘War on Cops’
===================
.......The law permits the police officers to use lethal force if they have a reasonable fear for their safety or for the safety of others.

Courts have consistently held that, when considering the potential liability of a police shooting, we should consider only the facts known to the officer at the time.

That’s understandable. We can’t hold police officers accountable for information they didn’t have.

But reasonable isn’t the same thing as legitimate or accurate. And if police officers are seeing threats where there clearly are none, it makes sense to start asking why.

This is where the rhetoric of police groups and their supporters comes in. Law enforcement advocates such as the National Rifle Association, police unions, conservative politicians and, of course, President Trump regularly tell us there’s a “war on cops.”

They describe police work with words usually reserved for the battlefield. They fuel the mistaken belief that relatively rare incidents such as roadside ambushes are common. They equate criticism and oversight of police with violence.

And they cite small increases in the number of police fatalities year to year with percentages without providing the proper context — that violence against law enforcement has dropped to the point where even small increases look large when expressed as percentages...........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/14/atatiana-jefferson-was-victim-war-cops-rhetoric/

I am wondering what they mean by "rare"

Just looking at FBI stats, somewhere between 44 and 66 police officers are feloniously killed in the line of duty each year for the past decade or so.

This puts the number of police officers in the US at under 1 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_number_of_police_officers

The Washington Post is reporting a little under 1,000 people die each yeat by police over the last 4 years. That is estimated to be more like 1200-1300 when including agencies that do not report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...forcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2018

So assume 1500 killings - probably a couple hundred more than actually happen, but still.


So out of 1 million police, 40-50 are killed in a year.
Out of 320 million people 1500 are killed a year.

Unless I am missing something it seems like police are exponentially more likely to be killed than police are likely to kill - like 10,000 times more likely.

Of course, police are exponentially more likely to kill than the average person, which sort of makes sense given their job. And it has little to do with the notion of "rare" that I am interested in that this piece is using.

What am I misunderstanding here?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Just like the NFLPA

Except, the NFL and its players have absolutely nothing to do with public safety. That is to say if one of the NFLPA's members were to run a foul on the field, their actions have no effect on the public. The FOP, on the other hand, has a duty to protect both its members and the public their members serve and they have done a poor job of holding their members accountable when they have acted outside of the law.