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Old Paint said:
Not agreeing nor disagreeing, but drafting a collage player is far more of a WHAT IF than trading for and extablished player.
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is that the reason we seem to skip on potential defensive players every year ?

look at the colts and how they build their team. look at the browns before. look at the seahawks , eagles etc.
 
GermanSaint said:
+1

oh.... can he play DT ? CB ? LB ? Safety ?
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Some of you guys seem to think our Offense is top notch amazing and all we need is a good Defense. Our offense is not perfect, we could certainly use Shockey's help to actually SCORE more points. That will help with Defensive problems as well. Shockey is an established Offensive Star. Some second round rookie may or may not effect our Defense at all.
 
GermanSaint said:
is that the reason we seem to skip on potential defensive players every year ?

look at the colts and how they build their team. look at the browns before. look at the seahawks , eagles etc.
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2001 - Reggie Wayne Wide Receiver Miami (FL)
2002 - Dwight Freeney Defensive End Syracuse
2003 - Dallas Clark Tight End Iowa
2004 - No First Round Pick
2005 - Marlin Jackson Cornerback Michigan
2006 - Joseph Addai Running back LSU
2007 - Anthony Gonzalez Wide receiver Ohio State

Since 2001 the Colts have taken 4 Offense and 2 Defense when it comes to First Rounders. Seems to have worked well for them. During all these years their Defense was considered their weak spot and their Offense was their strength. If Offense is your strength you darn well better be sure you can KEEP it strong. I am not saying we shouldn't work on our Defense but we better keep adding to our offense or we will really have no chance.
 
meily said:
ok...so I got his contract issue mixed up...I see Saintaholic and Saintsfan are the "accuracy police"...you guys wanna contribute to the post or are you guys just patrolling for mistakes you can point out?
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I think accuracy adds to the discussion. Should mistakes not be pointed out?

Personally, I always strive for accuracy and can't understand how some don't seem to think it matters, especially when trying to make an argument for or against an opinion.
 
The best way to protect a defense is with a good offense.

A great TE is all we're missing (plus healthy players), adding him makes us elite.

Anyone saying we need to focus on defense and not pick him needs to watch the game and come to the realization that its a team sport. The better your offense does, the more you can get away with on defense.
 
shrike3000 said:
2001 - Reggie Wayne Wide Receiver Miami (FL)
2002 - Dwight Freeney Defensive End Syracuse
2003 - Dallas Clark Tight End Iowa
2004 - No First Round Pick
2005 - Marlin Jackson Cornerback Michigan
2006 - Joseph Addai Running back LSU
2007 - Anthony Gonzalez Wide receiver Ohio State

Since 2001 the Colts have taken 4 Offense and 2 Defense when it comes to First Rounders. Seems to have worked well for them. During all these years their Defense was considered their weak spot and their Offense was their strength. If Offense is your strength you darn well better be sure you can KEEP it strong. I am not saying we shouldn't work on our Defense but we better keep adding to our offense or we will really have no chance.
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Very true. just because the offense is set (for the most part), doesn't mean we shouldn't keep in strong. Concentrate on what is working and improve what isn't.
 
Sorry if i missed it in another post but i have not seen anyone bring up the point that he is another decoy. Shockey being double teamed or even guarded heavily by the safety means more space for reggie and our wide receivers. I wouldnt care if he came to our offense and only got 200 yards receiving. As long as he is on the field, someone will be open. If he does start getting open, that means eventually teams will have to put linebackers and defensive lineman out in coverage. Guess who that leaves out in the open? Mr Reggie Bush! Think about it. I just did and have a big grin.:D
 
Brees4prez said:
Sorry if i missed it in another post but i have not seen anyone bring up the point that he is another decoy. Shockey being double teamed or even guarded heavily by the safety means more space for reggie and our wide receivers. I wouldnt care if he came to our offense and only got 200 yards receiving. As long as he is on the field, someone will be open. If he does start getting open, that means eventually teams will have to put linebackers and defensive lineman out in coverage. Guess who that leaves out in the open? Mr Reggie Bush! Think about it. I just did and have a big grin.:D
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I see your point and it could be very productive. BUT, Shockey will surely care if he only got 200 yds. That, IIRC :)hihi:) has been one of his biggest reasons of raging fits. That won't work out too well. Then again, everyone on every play can be a decoy no and then. Bush, Colston. Meach, Miller, DOOOOCE, Patten ...........

Whoever said that he could get 1,000 yds is a bit off. With all the weapons, it would be hard for a TE to get that many yards. I know he would be productive, but not that productive IMO.
 
geauxboy said:
I see your point and it could be very productive. BUT, Shockey will surely care if he only got 200 yds. That, IIRC :)hihi:) has been one of his biggest reasons of raging fits. That won't work out too well. Then again, everyone on every play can be a decoy no and then. Bush, Colston. Meach, Miller, DOOOOCE, Patten ...........

Whoever said that he could get 1,000 yds is a bit off. With all the weapons, it would be hard for a TE to get that many yards. I know he would be productive, but not that productive IMO.
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Yeah you are right about his fits about not getting the ball. I did not think about that. Did he get a ring? I ask because if he did not then hopefully he would come on board with one goal in mind instead of his stats.
 
He was on the team, so yeah, he gots his. Maybe he WILL be motivated to get a ring ON THE FIELD.
 
Anybody see this from Rotoworld?

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</TD><TD class=s_playerNewsText>A friend of Jeremy Shockey tells the NY Daily News that Shockey is frustrated "with his role in the (Giants') offense."
He might envision himself as more of a pure pass catcher, while the Giants have repeatedly said they value Shockey's blocking. Shockey himself may be at the source of trade rumors. It still seems unlikely he'll be dealt.
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http://rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx
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I just hope that we don't get Shockey, I would much rather have Fred Davis from USC or another good character top TE with our second pick.
 

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