I hope Kubiak doesn't call games like Kyle (1 Viewer)

[Saintman2884]

I mean, you could but then you'll also have to remember that his #1 receiver was Jerry Rice and he averaged nearly 18 yards per receptions with Joe Montana as his starting QB. To put that in perspective, Tyreek Hill has never had a season with a higher Y/R than what Jerry Rice averaged from 85-90. Just saying...

Gotta acknowledge that Rice was also the ultimate cheat code.....he could make any QB look good.

So could Randy Moss, Cris Carter, Wes Welker with New England and in Denver under Peyton Manning for two seasons in 2013-14, and frankly, when he wanted to perform and wasnt being a complete locker room-destroying diva, Terrell Owens.

Steve Largent helped make a very average, mediocre Dave Krieg a three-time Pro Bowler during the 1980's in their time together from 1983-89 after replacing Jim Zorn midway into the 1983 season.

Great, legendary HOF WR's can usually make most QB's, even average, mediocre ones looked unstoppable on occasion. That's hardly a trend mutually exclusive to the domain only of Jerry Rice. Future HOF WR James Lorton made Packers QB Lynn Dickey look pretty damn formidable, impressive and helped him amass some amazing stats with the early-to-mid 80's (1981-84) Packers offenses. In 1983, Dickey actually passed for over a then-Packers single-season passing record of over 4,458 passing yards and 32 TD's, records that weren't broken until over a decade later with arrival and emergence of Brett Favre.

What makes Mahomes special is that he makes very ordinary, average WR's like Hardman, Rice, Valdes-Scantling look pretty dominant and above-average in their skill sets compared to all the Pro-Bowlers Purdy has in S.F. (Kittle, CMC, Aiyuk, Samuel, good O-line and great defensive players in Bosa, Warner, Greenlaw, Armstead, Jimmie Ward).

Maybe Hill has never reached the dizzying, unreal heights of statistical receiving yard totals comparable to Rice's avg. Y/R totals in his first 6 seasons, but he's already a borderline HOFer and technically, he's not even 30 yet and will likely have 3-4 more great/very good seasons before his career finally winds down and he'll have that SB ring and another SB appearance to bolster his Canton credentials. He's not this generation's version of Randy Moss, but he's still managed to carve out one hell of a impressive niche.

 

[jahsoul357]

What makes Mahomes special is that he makes very ordinary, average WR's like Hardman, Rice, Valdes-Scantling look pretty dominant and above-average in their skill sets compared to all the Pro-Bowlers Purdy has in S.F. (Kittle, CMC, Aiyuk, Samuel, good O-line and great defensive players in Bosa, Warner, Greenlaw, Armstead, Jimmie Ward).

Actually, the scheme is doing that because if you look at the vast majority of Mahomes throws, there is nothing special about them. And I hope this isn't taken as a knock but Andy Reid's system is legit. Travis Kelce said that Reid could scheme his dad open...lol. And honestly, what I honestly can't think of any WRs that Mahomes has gotten a big payday.

Maybe Hill has never reached the dizzying, unreal heights of statistical receiving yard totals comparable to Rice's avg. Y/R totals in his first 6 seasons, but he's already a borderline HOFer and technically, he's not even 30 yet and will likely have 3-4 more great/very good seasons before his career finally winds down and he'll have that SB ring and another SB appearance to bolster his Canton credentials. He's not this generation's version of Randy Moss, but he's still managed to carve out one hell of a impressive niche.

Here is the thing about both Hill and Kelce; they were eating before Mahomes. When we take a step back and really look at things, Reid making Hill WR1 and building the offense around that changed everything.



Crazy thing; they lost this game...lol.

I'm not saying that Mahomes isn't great. All I'm saying is Andy Reid's offense has a lot to do with it.

 

[SweetT]

The GOAT of what? LOL. Brady had 3SBs in 5 seasons they still wouldn't put him in the conversation with Montana. We sensationalize everything now. Let his career playout and let's see what he can actually do without Big Red and Kelce and then we can talk about if he is a GOAT or not.

The Chiefs defense has been lights out and if anyone else made plays when they need to after their defense carried them, we would call them a game manager. I give credit where credit is due? Mahomes wasn't good the vast majority of this game and the defense held it down. On a crucial 3rd down in the red zone in OT, Chris Jones disrupted that play and Shanny kicked a FG that allowed them to come down and score for the win. Mahomes made plays when he had to and I'm not taking that away from him but anybody really looking at that game can easily see how Reid's playcalling was the difference maker. Mahomes made a play with his feet, but when the vast majority of the plays on the last 2 drives were dump offs and a crossing route, we tend to overblow a lot of things. If called, Purdy makes those exact same plays..lol


Nobody was saying that when Alex Smith was finishing the regular season with winning records with those WRs he had. Crap, if he had Spags' defense instead of Sutton's defense that broke down every playoffs, his story might be different.

TB12 and his Patriots organization are repeat cheaters. He’s no GOAT

 

[Kegger]

This game cemented in my mind that Purdy is an average QB, the hype is not real.

 

[Bayouboy]

Missed extra point was huge

 

[max]

Geez boneheaded decisions all night. And they forgot about CMC.

I’m assuming this is a joke. He is unquestionably one of the best offensive minds in the game today. Reid may be better, but have some perspective; what was the name of that game that his team was playing in against the Chiefs?

 

[faceman]

Yeah but he has 2 more yrs on that contract

That is true,but teams usually don't let a Qb play out their final season on a rookie deal.
They don't want him to hit the open market as a UFA. The Eagles for example signed Hurts
to a long term deal instead of letting him play out his final season on his rookie contract.

 

[jahsoul357]

This game cemented in my mind that Purdy is an average QB, the hype is not real.

Because he coach went conservative and they got blown up on that 3rd down? We are putting a lot on Purdy in this game when Mahomes was just as average in this game. Both QBs were average; one was just coached better down the stretch.

 

[faceman]

Because he coach went conservative and they got blown up on that 3rd down? We are putting a lot on Purdy in this game when Mahomes was just as average in this game. Both QBs were average; one was just coached better down the stretch.

You can't deny Purdy has better weapons though. Mahomes is playing with the weakest receiving corps
he's had during his tenure with the Chiefs. I'm sure the Chiefs will be upgrading that unit in the offseason.

I do agree Purdy wasn't the reason the Niners lost. That said, the jury is still out. The Niners will sign
him long term. What happens when they can't resign some of the key players they have now? No one
knows the answer yet. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Saintman2884]

Because he coach went conservative and they got blown up on that 3rd down? We are putting a lot on Purdy in this game when Mahomes was just as average in this game. Both QBs were average; one was just coached better down the stretch.

Yeah, but one of those QB's had/has played in 3 other SB's before last night, two of them when Purdy was still an underclassmen, starting QB at Iowa St. and has already won two before last night's game and has already two 5,000-yard passing seasons to his resume and he may accrue more of them if Chiefs either draft or bring in more explosive, top-notch Pro-Bowl caliber WR's or weapons.

 

[Saintman2884]

You can't deny Purdy has better weapons though. Mahomes is playing with the weakest receiving corps
he's had during his tenure with the Chiefs. I'm sure the Chiefs will be upgrading that unit in the offseason.

I do agree Purdy wasn't the reason the Niners lost. That said, the jury is still out. The Niners will sign
him long term. What happens when they can't resign some of the key players they have now? No one
knows the answer yet. We'll have to wait and see.

CMC had a very good game last night but I do believe he couldve been used better or more creativity in Shanahan's system where he's more effective as a runner. And Kittle, despite doing a yeoman's job in run blocking, was barely targeted and had only maybe 2-3 catches whereas in 49ers NFC playoff run, he was a deadly pass option down the middle in intermediate and deep passes, stretching opposing teams' secondaries.

 

[faceman]

CMC had a very good game last night but I do believe he couldve been used better or more creativity in Shanahan's system where he's more effective as a runner. And Kittle, despite doing a yeoman's job in run blocking, was barely targeted and had only maybe 2-3 catches whereas in 49ers NFC playoff run, he was a deadly pass option down the middle in intermediate and deep passes, stretching opposing teams' secondaries.

Chiefs were covering Kittle with a CB all day. That was a smart move imo. Take your chances against someone else

 

[St. Widge]

I mean, you could but then you'll also have to remember that his #1 receiver was Jerry Rice and he averaged nearly 18 yards per receptions with Joe Montana as his starting QB. To put that in perspective, Tyreek Hill has never had a season with a higher Y/R than what Jerry Rice averaged from 85-90. Just saying...

Gotta acknowledge that Rice was also the ultimate cheat code.....he could make any QB look good.

Yes, that's exactly my point. Similar to Mahomes, a lot of Montana's throws were short throws on crossing routes and dump offs to Roger Craig. And, yes, he had maybe the greatest WR of all time to throw to. And, he was playing in a system that at the time was the most innovative system in the NFL that gave him easy/open throws. Yet, it's clear that Montana is a HoF QB.

So, why ding Mahomes for playing in a great system when nobody dings Montana for playing in a great system? Especially when the best receiver he ever had was Hill who is not close to Jerry Rice and the WRs he has now are all at best average and mostly terrible. He literally has on guy, Kelce, that he can count on.

 

[St. Widge]

Actually, the scheme is doing that because if you look at the vast majority of Mahomes throws, there is nothing special about them. And I hope this isn't taken as a knock but Andy Reid's system is legit. Travis Kelce said that Reid could scheme his dad open...lol. And honestly, what I honestly can't think of any WRs that Mahomes has gotten a big payday.

Reid's scheme is great, but how many Super Bowls did he win before Mahomes was his starting QB?

 

[StudioSaint]

Yes, that's exactly my point. Similar to Mahomes, a lot of Montana's throws were short throws on crossing routes and dump offs to Roger Craig. And, yes, he had maybe the greatest WR of all time to throw to. And, he was playing in a system that at the time was the most innovative system in the NFL that gave him easy/open throws. Yet, it's clear that Montana is a HoF QB.

So, why ding Mahomes for playing in a great system when nobody dings Montana for playing in a great system? Especially when the best receiver he ever had was Hill who is not close to Jerry Rice and the WRs he has now are all at best average and mostly terrible. He literally has on guy, Kelce, that he can count on.

If I remember correctly, Montana to Rice on the skinny post was what the 49ers consistently beat teams with.