I want no part of Aaron Glenn as a HC (41 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

Losing an OC is overrated on this board. It’s not ideal, but it’s not the death of the offense if it happens, particularly if you have a head coach and FO with a plan. If you are changing systems every year, that’s a different kind of problem (also known as having no plan). As an example, DA had no real vision for the offense.

2022: keep the same OC for system continuity

2023: sign Carr because he allegedly fits the system better than Dalton

2024: change the system that Carr is allegedly best in because Allen’s seat is getting warm (despite finishing 5th in points and 10th in yards down the stretch after moving Peat to LT)

Even if the HC calls plays on Sunday, he isn’t doing all the work of an OC. Brees spent more time with Carmichael during the week than he did with Payton because Payton’s main job was managing the team, not sitting in the QB room all day. Payton hasn’t been able to field a top ten offense in the last three seasons coached because offensive output is more a function of talent than coaching. Better players (see Detroit) will make scoring points easier.

Both Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have had multiple OC’s, but they are lighting up the scoreboard week after week. Nobody laments how changing OC’s has failed them.

EXACTLY, If you are a D minded HC you hire the best OC you can AND you get a guy to groom as the next best OC when the 1st guy leaves. You keep the same system so the O does not have to learn a new one. Look at Quin 1st he had Shanny and now he has KK. If you can't spot a great OC then you are not the HC needed

 

[DSnfla]

Glenns entire career as a DC, rankings

20, 19, 29 and 32.

Never even had an upper half defense.

Choose your narratives wisely.

If it's only about defensive ranking to you then you're lost

 

[DSnfla]

This thread shows how catastrophic the DA experience was for some people.

No , it just shows how nearsighted people are because they don't look to see why things happen

 

[DSnfla]

but yet the saints crap defense held them mostly in check..

Did we turn the ball over FIVE times including a pick 6??? I rest my case.

 

[DSnfla]

Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn will almost certainly leave Detroit, but they do so after having blown a big lead in the NFCCG last year, and now having been blown out and one-and-done'd their fans at home last night.

Similar in scope to McCarthy getting blown out at home last year.

At least Ben Johnson auditioned his playcalling for Tom Brady. Nice pass Jameson.

The hype on these two coordinators in my opinion absolutely distracted the Lions' players. They were preparing for the playoffs, and there Glenn is zoom-interviewing for other jobs. Even with team permission, horrible timing to break the cohesiveness and trust of your players. You had one job Detroit. But your coordinator's futures were more front and center than your game prep.

The injury excuse is dumb. They won 15 games as an injured team. They were not upstarts as they had a playoff run a year ago. The coaches totally lost focus. They went into that game with a 15-2 mentality, not a 0-0 postseason mentality.

Yeah , taking a couple zoom interviews is why they lost the game SMH. NO they did not win 15 games as an injured defense. They got injured AS THE SEASON WENT ON !!!!! . Yeah all 14 defensive players went on IR in the FIRST GAME. Some times the things you say are mind-boggling

 

[DSnfla]

When adjusted for situation and opponent (which is what DVOA measures), the Lions had the 5th best defense this year, despite losing their star edge rusher and number of other starters.

Ohhh heaven forbid you bring logic and real stats into the conversation. You are banned for life

 

[DSnfla]

Here is a pretty good visual of how his defense suffered this season.

How dare Glenn not pitch a shutout with all those quality defensive players, AND overcome 5 TOs including a pick 6. Let's string him up!!!!

 

[DSnfla]

Oh the same guy that crapped the bed in Arizona?

LOL Do you even know what happened in AZ??? SMH

 

[JackDiesel]

There's only so many elites to go around, You need an elite QB , an elite RB elite WRs. Now you need elite CBs ?? And more than 1. How about an elite pass rusher as well , heck let's get 2

And now you understand why Allen and Glenn's defense is going the way of the dinosaur. Look what we needed to get into the top 10 in Allen's defense, Glenn's never even sniffed it.

Elite CB in Lattimore, a good/great CB opposite him and a playmaking nickel. He wanted massive size/speed DE's (Davenport and Turner) that could do things the human body shouldn't be capable of and as a result were always injured. You miss any of those and the other team had a weakness they could take advantage all game long. We never did figure out how to cover a TE. And if the QB had any mobility (which is the direction the NFL is going) it was game over.

 

[DSnfla]

He's only like DA in that they run a similar scheme. I'm not a fan of the bend but don't break style that counts on turnovers, but some teams do it well and the details matter. They are details that DA too often did not get right at the end of games.

But, I think the biggest problem with that style of defense is that it relies on having an elite pass rush to speed up the QB clock and force him into bad throws. You also need that elite pass rush to stop two minute drives with sacks in critical situations. That's something we haven't had in New Orleans in many years and something that Glenn had in Detroit until Hutchinson got hurt.

But Glenn's personality is a 180 from DA. He's intense and a leader. I'd still prefer an offensive HC and I'd prefer a different style of defense, but I don't think DA is anything like Glenn other than they both run the same basic scheme.

I don't think you need an elite pass rush , maybe just a competent one. We had 2 guys in the top ranking of pressures but couldn't get the QB down.
Alot of that was that Grantham was as bad an DL coach as Marrone was an OL coach. Look at what happened to Penning when Benton and Dennison got here. I'll bet if we get a top DL coach you'll see much more from Foskey , Turner and the rest of the DL, But we absolutely need a run stuffing DT to pair with Bresse

 

[DSnfla]

And now you understand why Allen and Glenn's defense is going the way of the dinosaur. Look what we needed to get into the top 10 in Allen's defense, Glenn's never even sniffed it.

Elite CB in Lattimore, a good/great CB opposite him and a playmaking nickel. He wanted massive size/speed DE's (Davenport and Turner) that could do things the human body shouldn't be capable of and as a result were always injured. You miss any of those and the other team had a weakness they could take advantage all game long. We never did figure out how to cover a TE. And if the QB had any mobility (which is the direction the NFL is going) it was game over.

Yeah lets not hire a coordinator that didn't have a top 16 ranking in their last 3 yrs or one that got their playcalling duites taken away from them . let's not hire SEAN PAYTON in 06
LOlL it's not the system it's the players. You don't have to have elite players at every position on D, just a couple sprinkled in with good ones. Yes DA's system relies on a good pass rush but EVERY system does. I'm not defending DA as a HC but his D was a big reason we had success for SP's last yrs here. And it was Payton that pushed for Davenport to the tune of trading up for him NOT DA

 

[DSnfla]

Don't leave quite yet!!!!!

1) He's already at least as good or better than Lamar or Josh (he is more accurate, consistent), and I think will be better than Mahomes eventually....(Mahomes actually barely played his rookie year)
2) He is 5+ years younger than all the QB's listed
3) The notion that he will likely improve is scary, unless you are a Commanders fan....

So I don't think it's unreasonable to say he could be a generational talent, the key is for him to stay healthy (and their OC needs to cut out or minimize those designed runs).....

Also, wanted to add, I disagree with those judging Glenn based on one game, but if you look at Glenn's D's and their rankings over the last few years, not very impressive, that's mainly why I don't want him, other than I'm really leaning towards a young offensive mind (Brady)....

Rankings ?? Ok , would you hire a coordinator that had not cracked the top 16 in ranking in his last 3 yrs ? And who's team record got worse every yr he was there. . Guess you would not have hired Sean Payton

 

[DSnfla]

Oh sheet. Never saw those until today. That's, well that's not good. And with the shift in the league towards mobile QB's it's about to only get worse.

RANKINGS are not EVERYTHING

 

[GrandAdmiral]

No , it just shows how nearsighted people are because they don't look to see why things happen

So in other words...

They're not looking beyond the results?

 

[Saint Greg]

This don't hire a defensive HC because if the OC he hires is successful he'll leave is really short sighted. Do you think that Quinn will forget how to hire an OC when KK leaves?? Quinn has the best track record in hiring OCs , 1st with Shanny and now KK. Look at Bowles, he may not be a good HC but he's good at hiring OCs. Now Campbell may not be since he did hire Johnson , he just promoted him and who's to say that was not Holmes's call.

If I'm a D minded HC I'm hiring a who I think is the next great OC and someone to groom to be great after him. An heir and a spare

It’s not short sighted. It’s the best way to hire head coaches. Otherwise you just constantly replace OCs. It’s a lot easier to hire and hold onto a good DC than it is an OC. Name all of the great OCs out there looking for OC jobs. Kubiak may be the best one. Now think about the DCs. Saleh, Eberflus, DA, maybe Zimmer…